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RoDeO 10-28-2020 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by txmxer (Post 3649577)
Distance is primarily dependent on velocity at the point of release.

If you follow the disc looking down from above, it moves in a generally straight path from start to finish.

Velocity at release, backhand, is dependent entirely upon the rotational velocity of the torso around an axis.

RowingBoats 10-28-2020 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by RoDeO (Post 3649631)
Ejecting the disc back hand is about accelerating the disc around an axis into release. The body is quite sufficient to rotate up to 360 degrees to do that sufficiently. Don't some max distance throwers spin around 360 degrees?

If the arm is extending outward from the spine axis, as you understand the throw, how is it accelerating? Figure skaters do this to slow rotation down, not speed it up. If the hit is supposed to generate the most acceleration, how is it even possible in your model of the swing?

RowingBoats 10-28-2020 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by RowingBoats (Post 3649673)
If the arm is extending outward from the spine axis, as you understand the throw, how is it accelerating? Figure skaters do this to slow rotation down, not speed it up. If the hit is supposed to generate the most acceleration, how is it even possible in your model of the swing?

Just for the record, I do understand how to throw a disc the way you are describing, and have done it quite a bit since this thread started. I can throw it relatively far this way even, but...it just feels like a brick wall. There is no where for this technique to go, there is no more momentum to 'trap', which the other paradigm allows a huge pathway to build on.

When I spin early, there is no 'hit' in the swing at all really. I honestly believe the swing is decelerating, not accelerating. There is no moment where you catch the disc and really hit it hard in the pocket. It feels quite literally impotent.

RoDeO 10-28-2020 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by RowingBoats (Post 3649673)
If the arm is extending outward from the spine axis, as you understand the throw, how is it accelerating? Figure skaters do this to slow rotation down, not speed it up. If the hit is supposed to generate the most acceleration, how is it even possible in your model of the swing?

As you rotate your hips your shoulders are still back or lagging behind in rotation. As you begin to bring the disc in and rotate the shoulders you begin to accelerate that torso rotational velocity. Because the mass of the arm and disc are pulled in to the power pocket during this acceleration speed it allows the torso to rotate powerfully or quicker. Then, almost ad quick as the disc was pulled in and the torso reached max acceleration the arm begins to extend and that torque you created thrusts the disc outwards and it gains so much mass upon ejection you can't hold onto it and it rips out.

RoDeO 10-28-2020 03:15 PM

I have really been practicing on increasing my rotational acceleration velocity these last two weeks during our lame windy cold weather and yesterday and today the wind finally stopped, the sun came out and I was throwing 30 feet farther on average than before.

sidewinder22 10-28-2020 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by RoDeO (Post 3649722)
I have really been practicing on increasing my rotational acceleration velocity

How do you practice that?

RoDeO 10-28-2020 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by sidewinder22 (Post 3649859)
How do you practice that?

Underweight training. In this case that means practicing the swing, full power, with no disc, just the weight of the arm. I've been doing about 50 each evening.

NoseDownKing 10-28-2020 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by RoDeO (Post 3649873)
Underweight training. In this case that means practicing the swing, full power, with no disc, just the weight of the arm. I've been doing about 50 each evening.

Oh. I also like to injure myself for fun.

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RoDeO 10-28-2020 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by NoseDownKing (Post 3649888)
Oh. I also like to injure myself for fun.

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Well, I guess if you were doing something wrong then yeah, probably so.

NoseDownKing 10-28-2020 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by RoDeO (Post 3649892)
Well, I guess if you were doing something wrong then yeah, probably so.

Keep on doing what you're doing. I'm sure it will help you throw 500 feet in no time!

No it won't...

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