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wolfmandragon 04-23-2019 03:07 PM

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Chun from remo williams was quite possible the most overpowered Karate foe of all time.

The original One Punch Man.

aphilso1 04-23-2019 03:40 PM

I finally got around to picking up a couple Proxies yesterday and immediately took them out for a round. One Neutron Soft 174, and one Neutron 173. The Neutron Soft may have a tad less stability, but honestly they performed similar enough that I can't really say definitively that it's less stable than its firm counterpart.

Proxy definitely needs some height to perform at its best for me. I was having a hard time getting it all the way to the basket when thrown on low-ceiling shots...it's much easier for me to power down my flippy mid (Tursas) than it is to rip on a Proxy if I have a ceiling to deal with. And as others have said, it needs a bit of wrist snap on approaches to get that 0 fade. That's not typically my style of throwing (I have a pretty passive wrist on both drives and approaches), but when I adjusted my mechanics to "engage the gyro" then it was flying as advertised. Did pretty well in the wind (15-20 mph) for a neutral putter, except for straight headwinds.

Overall I think the Proxy is going to make the bag. It feels exactly the same as an Envy to me, which is a big deal for me and gives it the nod over the Colt. Proxy seems more consistent than a beat Electron Envy for the same slot, too. I need to have a few one disc rounds with it to really learn angles, but overall I think it fills that hole in my bag.

ponder 04-23-2019 10:48 PM

Just wanted to leave this here. I got my first eagle today on hole 9 at harmony bends. Heavily wooded and almost 700’. Threw my relay off the tee and for my approach and then sunk a 60 footer for the eagle 3.

deyo7 04-23-2019 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by aphilso1 (Post 3444530)
I finally got around to picking up a couple Proxies yesterday and immediately took them out for a round. One Neutron Soft 174, and one Neutron 173. The Neutron Soft may have a tad less stability, but honestly they performed similar enough that I can't really say definitively that it's less stable than its firm counterpart.

Proxy definitely needs some height to perform at its best for me. I was having a hard time getting it all the way to the basket when thrown on low-ceiling shots...it's much easier for me to power down my flippy mid (Tursas) than it is to rip on a Proxy if I have a ceiling to deal with. And as others have said, it needs a bit of wrist snap on approaches to get that 0 fade. That's not typically my style of throwing (I have a pretty passive wrist on both drives and approaches), but when I adjusted my mechanics to "engage the gyro" then it was flying as advertised. Did pretty well in the wind (15-20 mph) for a neutral putter, except for straight headwinds.

Overall I think the Proxy is going to make the bag. It feels exactly the same as an Envy to me, which is a big deal for me and gives it the nod over the Colt. Proxy seems more consistent than a beat Electron Envy for the same slot, too. I need to have a few one disc rounds with it to really learn angles, but overall I think it fills that hole in my bag.

Nice. Yeah I think more you play with the proxy more you learn what it excels at. Gentle with a good snap and she booms best. Good call on the 1 disc round, will be fun and helpful.

aphilso1 04-24-2019 11:19 AM

Took the new Proxies and a couple of Envies to the neighborhood park last night while my kids played on the playground. Threw them around (the discs, not the kids) on a variety of lines from roughly 75' to 275'.

I was surprised at just how similar the Proxies and Envies were under 150'. At short distances the biggest difference was that the Proxies seemed to want to glide out and forward fade a little more than Envies. So while they had similar fade, the Proxies were typically 10'-15' longer than the Envies. Above 150' I was able to get a distinctly different flight path from the Proxies (3/4.5/-0.5/0.5) compared to the Envies (3/4/0/1.5).

I was a little disappointed by this, because I feel like a weak part of my game is being able to get up-and-down for par when pinched off at a weird angle and short distance...so really, where an understable putter shines. I think I can get the Proxy to do what I want for that role but it's not as natural of a fit. And I really don't want to carry a disc specifically for those situations, that will rarely get used and thus be a "low confidence" disc when I do need it; I'd rather use something that I have confidence in and is used regularly for other shots.

I'll definitely bag one of the Proxies for now. It's so similar to an Envy that there really is no learning curve; I already feel like I know what the disc is going to do for me out of the hand. Time will tell whether it's permanently in the bag or whether that's a slot I tinker with again in 9-12 months.

Silver Rider 04-24-2019 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by aphilso1 (Post 3444809)
And I really don't want to carry a disc specifically for those situations, that will rarely get used and thus be a "low confidence" disc when I do need it; I'd rather use something that I have confidence in and is used regularly for other shots.

That's my thinking also

A N Envy thats beat to the point where it holds straight/anny lines longer and has more forward fade than fresh ones maybe? thats what i use, but then again whats the difference between that and a fresh mold that flys how you want? if anything its easier to replace a fresh mold that flies how you want.. i would be devastated if i lost my original N Envy.

aphilso1 04-24-2019 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Silver Rider (Post 3444821)
That's my thinking also

A N Envy thats beat to the point where it holds straight/anny lines longer and has more forward fade than fresh ones maybe? thats what i use, but then again whats the difference between that and a fresh mold that flys how you want? if anything its easier to replace a fresh mold that flies how you want.. i would be devastated if i lost my original N Envy.

That was my thought originally with beating in an Electron Envy. For a variety of reasons though, I think the Proxy will work out better than the Electron Envy for me. And I imagine I will find plenty of uses for the Proxy off the tee, so it will be a disc I have confidence in eventually.

I think what would best execute the specific shots I have in mind is something absurdly slow, like a Beetle or Polecat. But I just don't want to bag a disc like that, which for me would be reserved exclusively as a trick shot disc. I just wouldn't use one often enough to be confident in it when I do need it.

funguy 04-24-2019 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by aphilso1 (Post 3444809)
Took the new Proxies and a couple of Envies to the neighborhood park last night while my kids played on the playground. Threw them around (the discs, not the kids) on a variety of lines from roughly 75' to 275'.

I was surprised at just how similar the Proxies and Envies were under 150'. At short distances the biggest difference was that the Proxies seemed to want to glide out and forward fade a little more than Envies. So while they had similar fade, the Proxies were typically 10'-15' longer than the Envies. Above 150' I was able to get a distinctly different flight path from the Proxies (3/4.5/-0.5/0.5) compared to the Envies (3/4/0/1.5).

I was a little disappointed by this, because I feel like a weak part of my game is being able to get up-and-down for par when pinched off at a weird angle and short distance...so really, where an understable putter shines. I think I can get the Proxy to do what I want for that role but it's not as natural of a fit. And I really don't want to carry a disc specifically for those situations, that will rarely get used and thus be a "low confidence" disc when I do need it; I'd rather use something that I have confidence in and is used regularly for other shots.

I'll definitely bag one of the Proxies for now. It's so similar to an Envy that there really is no learning curve; I already feel like I know what the disc is going to do for me out of the hand. Time will tell whether it's permanently in the bag or whether that's a slot I tinker with again in 9-12 months.


Any thoughts to a slightly lower weight Proxy? I find that the mid to high 160s have a -1 HSS and also then to hold the long panning anny shots that you sometimes need in the woods. Great disc for long range jump putts as well. You might be surprised that even at that weight that the gyro makes them a bit more stable than other 160s discs. I couldn't live without my beat max weight Soft Electron Envy for straight shots off the tee and a versatile approach disc. The lighter Proxy is a bit easier to hyper flip off the tee when I need a quick standup and as an all around approach disc especially good for anny shots, glidey long range putts, controlled short penetrating hyzer upshots. Great 1-2 combo.

The Albatross 04-24-2019 04:33 PM

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Though the Entropy is not an exact Zone clone, their differences are virtually indistinguishable in the hand. I’ve heard people say that the Entropy is more Harp-like, but mine flies exactly like my FR McBeth Zones. They are both slightly puddle-topped, OS, and have little glide.

brutalbrutus 04-24-2019 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by aphilso1 (Post 3444833)
That was my thought originally with beating in an Electron Envy. For a variety of reasons though, I think the Proxy will work out better than the Electron Envy for me. And I imagine I will find plenty of uses for the Proxy off the tee, so it will be a disc I have confidence in eventually.

I think what would best execute the specific shots I have in mind is something absurdly slow, like a Beetle or Polecat. But I just don't want to bag a disc like that, which for me would be reserved exclusively as a trick shot disc. I just wouldn't use one often enough to be confident in it when I do need it.

You could try scuffing up a proxy to wipe the new disc smell off it. Flip it upside down on a teepad and don't be shy. Should give you at least a quarter more turn.


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