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mas30066 09-24-2022 10:23 AM

Had a moment on the course yesterday where I realized I was way overthinking things. Trying to figure out whether a forehand or backhand a Tesla flex line would be better when my vision cleared and I asked myself, self, why donít you just let a Crave do straight ahead Crave things? Parked.

Kp0c 09-26-2022 02:07 PM

Older patent pending Volt and Tesla vs newer ones - some questions
 
Some questions for you all about various runs of Volt and Tesla.

Short story : I bought MVP discs a long while ago then I stopped playing. Now I'm playing again. So I bought more Volts and Tesla because I like them.
Now, I just received the new Volts (1x : Fission, Electron, Plasma) and my new Tesla (1x: Plasma, special edition Fission) and I notice differences between my older ones and the new ones.
Both my older Volt (Proton) and Tesla (Neutron) are older "Patent pending" versions. Since I can't go throw them right now, I figured I'd ask about what I should expect from the newer disc considering the differences I noticed between each. See below for comparaison pictures and some of my guesses. Would love for you all to let me know what you think.

1. My old Proton "patent pending" Volt (left) vs new Electron Volt :

https://i.ibb.co/bWK73Zm/Proton-PP-V...ctron-Volt.jpg

This one is tough for me, the profile pic makes them look like completely different disc. The PLH is realllly lower on the Electron Volt, so it should be a lot mor flippy than my Proton, correct? Also, it has much more dome, my Proton PP is very flat (it has a small shoulder, but then it gets super flat while the electron, plasma and fission have a more progressive dome all the way to the top. Plasma and Fission have even more dome than Electron it appears).

2. My old Proton "patent pending" Volt vs new Plasma Volt

https://i.ibb.co/t8htdPZ/Proton-PP-V...lasma-Volt.jpg

Comparing those two, the PLH is about the same, but the Plasma has way more dome. How will the dome impact flight from your experience? I'm hoping for a bit more glide. As a sidenote : I must say my Proton PP Volt is quite overstable for my arm. I don't think I can push it on a straight release much past 270, no turn at all.

3. My old Proton "patent pending" Volt vs new Fission Volt

https://i.ibb.co/dkmm6Xc/Proton-PP-V...ssion-Volt.jpg

Quite a lower PLH on the Fission one, and more dome (can't tell from picture). I'm expecting this one to have a nice turn and more glide. What do you think?

4. Neutron patent pending Tesla (left) vs new Plasma Tesla

https://i.ibb.co/LgdZvxg/Neutron-PP-...asma-Tesla.jpg

We can't really tell the PLH on the picture (too dark), but it is a tad higher on the Plasma Tesla. Also, the picture makes it seem like the Plasma is much taller, and although it is taller, it's not as big a gap as the picture shows. I suspect my vantage point was too low.
I expect the plasma to be more overstable, anything else I should expect?

5. Neutron patent pending Tesla (left) vs new special edition Fission Tesla

https://i.ibb.co/wcWwnfV/Neutron-PP-...sion-Tesla.jpg

Those two look quite similar. The PLH is about the same, so I guess the Fission being 10g heavier will fly a tad more overstable?

I appreciate everyone's input. Cheers.

ThrowaEnvy 09-26-2022 03:52 PM

I think I can answer the tesla side.. I think it will be in order of most stable to least.. Fission-PP neutron- Plasma

Hard to say though, I threw more PP fission teslas and didn't get neutron until later. The plasma should be the closest ride to your PP.

I think the dome on your volt will make it much more stable regardless of the plh. The newer plasma I had was beefy!!!

gwsmallwood 09-26-2022 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kp0c (Post 3839901)
Some questions for you all about various runs of Volt and Tesla.

Short story : I bought MVP discs a long while ago then I stopped playing. Now I'm playing again. So I bought more Volts and Tesla because I like them.
Now, I just received the new Volts (1x : Fission, Electron, Plasma) and my new Tesla (1x: Plasma, special edition Fission) and I notice differences between my older ones and the new ones.
Both my older Volt (Proton) and Tesla (Neutron) are older "Patent pending" versions. Since I can't go throw them right now, I figured I'd ask about what I should expect from the newer disc considering the differences I noticed between each. See below for comparaison pictures and some of my guesses. Would love for you all to let me know what you think.

1. My old Proton "patent pending" Volt (left) vs new Electron Volt :

https://i.ibb.co/bWK73Zm/Proton-PP-V...ctron-Volt.jpg

This one is tough for me, the profile pic makes them look like completely different disc. The PLH is realllly lower on the Electron Volt, so it should be a lot mor flippy than my Proton, correct? Also, it has much more dome, my Proton PP is very flat (it has a small shoulder, but then it gets super flat while the electron, plasma and fission have a more progressive dome all the way to the top. Plasma and Fission have even more dome than Electron it appears).

2. My old Proton "patent pending" Volt vs new Plasma Volt

https://i.ibb.co/t8htdPZ/Proton-PP-V...lasma-Volt.jpg

Comparing those two, the PLH is about the same, but the Plasma has way more dome. How will the dome impact flight from your experience? I'm hoping for a bit more glide. As a sidenote : I must say my Proton PP Volt is quite overstable for my arm. I don't think I can push it on a straight release much past 270, no turn at all.

3. My old Proton "patent pending" Volt vs new Fission Volt

https://i.ibb.co/dkmm6Xc/Proton-PP-V...ssion-Volt.jpg

Quite a lower PLH on the Fission one, and more dome (can't tell from picture). I'm expecting this one to have a nice turn and more glide. What do you think?

4. Neutron patent pending Tesla (left) vs new Plasma Tesla

https://i.ibb.co/LgdZvxg/Neutron-PP-...asma-Tesla.jpg

We can't really tell the PLH on the picture (too dark), but it is a tad higher on the Plasma Tesla. Also, the picture makes it seem like the Plasma is much taller, and although it is taller, it's not as big a gap as the picture shows. I suspect my vantage point was too low.
I expect the plasma to be more overstable, anything else I should expect?

5. Neutron patent pending Tesla (left) vs new special edition Fission Tesla

https://i.ibb.co/wcWwnfV/Neutron-PP-...sion-Tesla.jpg

Those two look quite similar. The PLH is about the same, so I guess the Fission being 10g heavier will fly a tad more overstable?

I appreciate everyone's input. Cheers.

I can't speak to the Teslas, but I can to the Volts. I have one in every plastic from recent runs and I have a Patent Pending Neutron Volt that started my love affair with this disc. All but two of them are right around 173g. I have a 165g Fission and a 167g Electron.

In general, any newer run Volt should be slightly more stable than the Patent Pending Volts in the same plastic.

Brand new, I would say ALL of the plastics have very similar stability. In general the Plasma has the most glide (which can make it seem a little more stable). My Cosmic Neutron isn't too far behind the Plasma, but I think that's because I got a domey one. I don't think they're any more stable, they just stay in the air a little longer which gives them more time to fade.

I have two Fission Volts, one at 172g and one at 165g. Brand new, I can barely tell the difference in the two. That tells me the rumors about Fission plastic not being as affected by weight are true.

My Electron at 167g is my farthest flyer. I'm guessing it's a little less stable combined with the slightly lower weight.

That's a comparison of them all basically new. The Electron is supposed to season fastest, followed by the Fission, then finally the Plasma, Neutron, Cosmic Neutron, and Proton are all supposed to season at about the same rates, but more slowly than the Electron and Fission. If you'll notice, the flight numbers on the Electron and Fission are different. I believe that's what they are supposed to fairly quickly beat in at, not where they are supposed to start.

I'm impatiently waiting for them to offer them in Eclipse plastic so I can have one to use in my massively OS slot.

Keith H 09-26-2022 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mas30066 (Post 3839559)
Had a moment on the course yesterday where I realized I was way overthinking things. Trying to figure out whether a forehand or backhand a Tesla flex line would be better when my vision cleared and I asked myself, self, why donít you just let a Crave do straight ahead Crave things? Parked.

I recognize at least part of that thinking
Mine process usually begins with, can I reach it with the Crave... Heavy or light, Fresh or beat, hyzer, hyzerflip, anny or flat release?

Only if I strike out there do I decide to adjust speed or stability.

Kp0c 09-26-2022 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThrowaEnvy (Post 3839931)
I think I can answer the tesla side.. I think it will be in order of most stable to least.. Fission-PP neutron- Plasma

Hard to say though, I threw more PP fission teslas and didn't get neutron until later. The plasma should be the closest ride to your PP.

I think the dome on your volt will make it much more stable regardless of the plh. The newer plasma I had was beefy!!!

I find rather interesting what that you mentioned your plasma volt was the beefiest. Someone else made me realize that the flight numbers were not the same on the electron Volt, so it prompted me to look at the other plastics and mold, and sure enough, the Plasma Volt has the most overstable flight numbers of all of them. Also interesting regarding Plasma, Fission and Electron: none share flight numbers.

For the Tesla, Fission is the least overstable of all the options, while Neutron, Plasma and Proton all share the same flight numbers.

Kp0c 09-26-2022 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gwsmallwood (Post 3839932)
That's a comparison of them all basically new. The Electron is supposed to season fastest, followed by the Fission, then finally the Plasma, Neutron, Cosmic Neutron, and Proton are all supposed to season at about the same rates, but more slowly than the Electron and Fission. If you'll notice, the flight numbers on the Electron and Fission are different. I believe that's what they are supposed to fairly quickly beat in at, not where they are supposed to start.

I'm impatiently waiting for them to offer them in Eclipse plastic so I can have one to use in my massively OS slot.

Thanks for sharing your experience with the Volt. I wonder if the flight numbers on the Electron also reflect an average lower PLH from the interaction of the plastic with the mold (I have no clue if it's even a thing - plastic type impacting plh). Anyhow, looking forward to test those out!

ThrowaEnvy 09-26-2022 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kp0c (Post 3839980)
I find rather interesting what that you mentioned your plasma volt was the beefiest. Someone else made me realize that the flight numbers were not the same on the electron Volt, so it prompted me to look at the other plastics and mold, and sure enough, the Plasma Volt has the most overstable flight numbers of all of them. Also interesting regarding Plasma, Fission and Electron: none share flight numbers.

For the Tesla, Fission is the least overstable of all the options, while Neutron, Plasma and Proton all share the same flight numbers.

Yeah I got a plasma volt L2 I sent to Streets, to big for my arm. I think it was part of the first batch in the new factory, kinda like cosmic relays.

All volts share the same flight numbers with the exception of fission/electron. All teslas as well except fission which has an extra -0.5 of turn (same as volts). From personal experience my fresh plasma tesla is the least stable after a PP fission and oddly the new run fission came out the most stable with a high plh. Neutron seems to be consistent across any runs I've had but the first neutron tesla I got is the 2020 Halloween se. PP plasma tesla's are the beefiest ever made.

gwsmallwood 09-26-2022 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kp0c (Post 3839980)
Someone else made me realize that the flight numbers were not the same on the electron Volt, so it prompted me to look at the other plastics and mold, and sure enough, the Plasma Volt has the most overstable flight numbers of all of them.

My Plasma Volt is 8 5 -0.5 2, just like the Proton and Neutron. You have a Plasma Volt with something different shown?

Kp0c 09-26-2022 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThrowaEnvy (Post 3839996)
Yeah I got a plasma volt L2 I sent to Streets, to big for my arm. I think it was part of the first batch in the new factory, kinda like cosmic relays.

All volts share the same flight numbers with the exception of fission/electron. All teslas as well except fission which has an extra -0.5 of turn (same as volts). From personal experience my fresh plasma tesla is the least stable after a PP fission and oddly the new run fission came out the most stable with a high plh. Neutron seems to be consistent across any runs I've had but the first neutron tesla I got is the 2020 Halloween se. PP plasma tesla's are the beefiest ever made.

Thanks for sharing, fascinating to me to learn about all the variations. All I knew before coming back last week were the first runs of every of their mold. some 10+ years ago I bought all FR in Neutron : Axis, Vector, Volt, Shock, then the Switch, Envy, Fireball, Tesla then lastly a Proton Volt (all PP). I think I must have gave my FR PP Volt and Shock away cause I can't find them :(.
Anyway, now I learn that they switched factory, that they stopped production of the Switch, Axis and Vector (among others), which were all in my bag. I don't feel like going through all of the previous MVP official threads, but I feel like I might just have to, just to better understand the journey.


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