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DiscJunkie 02-12-2022 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Flick Maniac (Post 3788958)
YMMV but what I have thrown and heard people say is not that at all. More like a 11 speed Firebird, at least in Active Premium they are notoriously overstable and not matching the flight numbers. This may or may not apply more to the first run of premium Mentors though.

The Mentor had an early run in AP plastic, mine was yellow, that was board flat and is so overstable that it’s just un-usable for me. Basically a round brick.

I got a pink AP Mentor for next-to-nothing a month or so back to see if it matched the Flight Numbers. It does, maybe a tick more stable than advertised, but much closer than the earlier one.

Hopefully the older one was just a freak run.

Flick Maniac 02-13-2022 02:25 AM

Seems to compute. Pretty sure the one I threw a way back was yellow too, and very flat.

robdeforge 02-16-2022 12:11 PM

Just picked up a couple of the pink iron samurais :) still plenty available if anybody on here forgot and is interested!

DiscT 02-16-2022 08:37 PM

Any theories on why there are still several IS3s still available? First glow plastic, infamous DM signature disc, Eagle. I thought they’d push.

Also, anyone have any thoughts/theories why DM has such limited color variety when it comes to their plastic? Everything has been pink and blue for quite some time. Special edition discs will yield different colors, but why?

Skervoy 02-17-2022 02:18 AM

Well most people maybe already bought the reg MD3 and dont need a glow version (also this glow is untested by the masses so might be that people dont like to be first)?

kw83028 02-17-2022 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by DiscT (Post 3790874)
Any theories on why there are still several IS3s still available? First glow plastic, infamous DM signature disc, Eagle. I thought they’d push.

Our store did not purchase any to sell. I just typed up and deleted a giant list of reasons, full of analytics, but in the end, the short answer for our store is: average shelf life for DM signature discs (minus Cloudbreaker) is measured in months, and dealer cost for these was 65% higher than any other company's signature discs. In our retailer group of 14 stores, only two bought any IS3's for their store. Ultra-Premium prices have yet to catch on to the general public. They remain ultra-niche and generally a tough sell.

DiscT 02-17-2022 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by kw83028 (Post 3790931)
Our store did not purchase any to sell. I just typed up and deleted a giant list of reasons, full of analytics, but in the end, the short answer for our store is: average shelf life for DM signature discs (minus Cloudbreaker) is measured in months, and dealer cost for these was 65% higher than any other company's signature discs. In our retailer group of 14 stores, only two bought any IS3's for their store. Ultra-Premium prices have yet to catch on to the general public. They remain ultra-niche and generally a tough sell.

This is very insightful. Thanks for responding.

ArtemisClydFr0g 02-17-2022 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by DiscT (Post 3790874)
Any theories on why there are still several IS3s still available? First glow plastic, infamous DM signature disc, Eagle. I thought they’d push.

I saw between 4 and 5 thousand blues in stock on Discmania.net shortly after release. A lot of retailers I've never heard of were popping up this week too. I'm sure they made more than any run of Crowned Eagle or Iron Samurai, so that along with the price surely affected things. Scalpers are less likely to buy them for $30 each when they are risking not being able to move them. I'd say it's a win for Discmania and the fans.

Another theory - after the stock C-line came out they likely lost a percentage of original MD3 fans. It could be 2% or it could be 10%, but the bottom line is the plastic is different and some people just like what they like. Maybe they are comfortable with their stack of Innova molded discs, or maybe they moved on to an Infinite Discs mold. So that could've affected the number of people buying this release.

I personally bought a pair of the new C-lines and a pair of the IS3s just to try out, but I don't think either will kick the S-line out of my bag. If that holds true, I will probably hold off on getting any more MD3s until I can try a stock S-line when/if they come out.

Agarner14 02-17-2022 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by DiscT (Post 3790874)
Any theories on why there are still several IS3s still available? First glow plastic, infamous DM signature disc, Eagle. I thought they’d push.

Also, anyone have any thoughts/theories why DM has such limited color variety when it comes to their plastic? Everything has been pink and blue for quite some time. Special edition discs will yield different colors, but why?

I think there are several factors at play here:
- Disc: The new MD3 isn't the old MD3. The color glow plastic is new and unproven.
- Price: $30 dollars for a disc is pretty steep. That's almost the combined price of 2 champion/z-line type discs.

Combine uncertainty about the disc plus the price point and you've already lost some "on the fence" buyers right there. I'm surprised to see that no one is mentioning DM supply problems here. Everything is getting delayed and I imagine that some DM throwers are either beginning to or thinking about switching to other more readily available molds/plastics/brands. It is just inevitable that some of the hype and some of the demand drops off.

ray1970 02-17-2022 10:29 AM

I can only chime in with why I didn’t buy one.

I bagged an original Iron Samurai. Even when I had it in my bag it was pretty much irreplaceable so I often found myself throwing something else if the shot was risky.

The new runs don’t appeal to me because the price is a little steep and even if I loved it and threw it a lot who knows if I could find a replacement later down the road if something happened to it.

Also, I loved the original that I had in the C-line, glow, metal flake plastic. Maybe the new plastic is just as good or better but I didn’t want to pay $30 to find out.

I’m all for buying a disc to support a player but it needs to be something I’ll actually bag and throw and it would be nice to know I could easily replace it down the road if I wanted to.

The MD3 was (is?) a good disc but there are plenty of similar options out there that are half the price and very easy to replace.


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