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zbyrd 05-17-2009 07:02 PM

Turnovers
 
I can throw forehand relatively well, so I never need to throw turnovers. With that said, I only have a vague idea of what a turnover really consists of and how to throw it. I'll just write what I think and maybe you more knowledgeable golfers can confirm my assumptions or correct me.

So from what I understand, to throw a turnover, you throw a stable to understable disc flat and overpower it on purpose. This will make it fly more understable than it should. As for the flight, it should go right (RHBH) and continue that way without fading back, or minimally so. Is all that correct?

Now for my questions. Why would you throw a turnover and not an anhyzer? What is the difference? When I overpower stuff, it usually becomes an unintentional roller, so to turn it over properly do it just require a precise amount of overpowering? Or is it more likely that a form issue is causing it to turn too much(roller)?

Thanks for all the wisdom you guys share!

Adam Schneider 05-17-2009 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by zbyrd (Post 62695)
I can throw forehand relatively well, so I never need to throw turnovers.

That's not true. There are lines you can't hit with a forehand that you can with a turnover shot. Specifically, gentle, constant right turns or right turns followed by left turns.

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Originally Posted by zbyrd (Post 62695)
So from what I understand, to throw a turnover, you throw a stable to understable disc flat and overpower it on purpose. This will make it fly more understable than it should.

You're not necessarily overpowering it. Understable discs are typically SUPPOSED to go to the right with a RHBH throw at normal power.

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Originally Posted by zbyrd (Post 62695)
As for the flight, it should go right (RHBH) and continue that way without fading back, or minimally so. Is all that correct?

Depends on the shot you need. Sometimes you don't want it to come back at all, sometimes you want it to land flat, and sometimes you actually want it to finish left.

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Originally Posted by zbyrd (Post 62695)
Why would you throw a turnover and not an anhyzer? What is the difference?

The only real difference is which disc you're using. To make a Destroyer go to the right, you've got to anhyzer it, unless you've got 600' of power. To make a Sidewinder go right, you throw it flat or even with a touch of hyzer.

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Originally Posted by zbyrd (Post 62695)
When I overpower stuff, it usually becomes an unintentional roller, so to turn it over properly do it just require a precise amount of overpowering? Or is it more likely that a form issue is causing it to turn too much(roller)?

We've all got form issues, so it never hurts to try to smooth out your throw and eliminate OAT (off-axis torque = "wobble"). But if I were you I'd work on using different discs and angles rather than trying to throw the living hell out of your discs. :)

zbyrd 05-17-2009 08:09 PM

Thanks a lot for the info.

That clear a lot up for me. It seems like a "turnover shot" is anything that turns as it's primary flight path. I was trying to fit the term into too narrow of a type of throw. I understand the uses of making a disc turn, so I guess I know what I need to.

BrotherDave 05-18-2009 12:42 AM

We need a damn disc golf glossary around here with local slang words included.

zbyrd 05-18-2009 12:53 AM

No kidding.

innova 05-18-2009 01:14 AM

Discbonics?

Frisbeeology?

Scary part is I understood.

:^p

Geoffro 05-18-2009 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by innova (Post 62856)
Discbonics?

Yeah, pretty much. I'm all for discbonics, as long as it is not exclusionary to new people to the sport.

I agree with pretty much everything Adam said. Great post, by the way Adam. This type of post is what makes this site the premiere - despite all the stupid redundant threads. Nice job.

BrotherDave 05-18-2009 02:58 AM

I would so purchase a discbonics to English translator.


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