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joecoin 02-09-2019 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by biscoe (Post 3415200)
How much traffic did these courses get at their peak?

Now that's a darn good question.

BuzzzFlicker87 02-09-2019 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by biscoe (Post 3415200)
How much traffic did these courses get at their peak?

I can only comment on the last 2 years but to see 10 people on the hill was "busy"

XC_Eddy 02-09-2019 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by BuzzzFlicker87 (Post 3415295)
I can only comment on the last 2 years but to see 10 people on the hill was "busy"

10 people at a time with that kind of course management is excellent.

BuzzzFlicker87 02-09-2019 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by XC_Eddy (Post 3415317)
10 people at a time with that kind of course management is excellent.

Courses were maintained fairly well last year despite management, but you never knew if the sheriff would show up and tell you to leave.

DanJon 02-09-2019 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by biscoe (Post 3415200)
How much traffic did these courses get at their peak?

Not enough to keep a private complex going, but with festivals onsite they can bring in an additional 5 to 6 figures.

Others have hinted that festivals will keep moving forward, but the plan is to keep them away from the disc golf.

While people may not like that vision, as long as disc golfers who care are in control, I believe they can coexist peacefully.

BuzzzFlicker87 02-10-2019 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by DanJon (Post 3415341)
Not enough to keep a private complex going, but with festivals onsite they can bring in an additional 5 to 6 figures.

Others have hinted that festivals will keep moving forward, but the plan is to keep them away from the disc golf.

While people may not like that vision, as long as disc golfers who care are in control, I believe they can coexist peacefully.

Agreed. While I dont know all the details I would bet the festivals have a better chance keeping this place going than disc golf. So whether you dig the scene or not be grateful for the festival folks and coexist.

DiscGolf365 02-10-2019 04:03 AM

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Originally Posted by DanJon (Post 3415341)
Not enough to keep a private complex going, but with festivals onsite they can bring in an additional 5 to 6 figures.

Others have hinted that festivals will keep moving forward, but the plan is to keep them away from the disc golf.

While people may not like that vision, as long as disc golfers who care are in control, I believe they can coexist peacefully.

Good thing I have lots of experience working at festivals the past 3 years :)
Nothing official yet, but if youre not going to Glass Blown you should try to keep April 27/28 clear on your schedule ;)

Darkgreen 02-10-2019 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by DavidSauls (Post 3415138)
Suddenly...Ö.NEWS!

Kind of. If dreams are news.

I get that there needs to be a vision, and I like lots of the things I'm hearing, but I would like to hear about basic needs being addressed.
I will say I like hearing about the commitment to keep festivals off of the fairways by having a dedicated place for those away from the courses.

DavidSauls 02-10-2019 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Darkgreen (Post 3415386)
Kind of. If dreams are news.

I get that there needs to be a vision, and I like lots of the things I'm hearing, but I would like to hear about basic needs being addressed.
I will say I like hearing about the commitment to keep festivals off of the fairways by having a dedicated place for those away from the courses.

Oh, sure. But compared to the past week or two....

Yes, to the degree I care, I'd be interested in knowing the nuts & bolts of what's going on. Who owns what, who has authority over what, financing, etc. Of course, that's none of my business, but it's hard to know what to think without it. Being a thousand miles away, it's just curiosity on my part.

pmay5 02-10-2019 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by roggenb3 (Post 3414904)
Why not? Especially why not orange?

I think what Mocheez was going for was that black and orange are close to the colors of the Chicago Bears (they are actually Navy and Orange) but look black and orange from a distance. Up there in Packerland, they don't want to be reminded of da Beaaarrrsss.

Who knows, it might draw players from the largest Metro area within reasonable driving distance, so why not?

da Crippler 02-10-2019 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by DavidSauls (Post 3415391)
Oh, sure. But compared to the past week or two....

Yes, to the degree I care, I'd be interested in knowing the nuts & bolts of what's going on. Who owns what, who has authority over what, financing, etc. Of course, that's none of my business, but it's hard to know what to think without it. Being a thousand miles away, it's just curiosity on my part.

All that is happening as we speak, there is a dedicated team of volunteers working behind the scenes on all these issues. It's still a complicated situation, still lots of details to work out and plenty of hard work ahead. All I can say is that it will be done right, there won't be any shady secret deals and it will be done as transparently as possible. And there is three feet of snow on the hill so there is time to tweak the plan before we see bare ground again. Rome wasn't built in a day.:)

DavidSauls 02-10-2019 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by da Crippler (Post 3415399)
All that is happening as we speak, there is a dedicated team of volunteers working behind the scenes on all these issues. It's still a complicated situation, still lots of details to work out and plenty of hard work ahead. All I can say is that it will be done right, there won't be any shady secret deals and it will be done as transparently as possible. And there is three feet of snow on the hill so there is time to tweak the plan before we see bare ground again. Rome wasn't built in a day.:)

I understand. And as I said, it's none of my (our) business.

But at the same time, it's hard to know what to make of announcements without knowing what's behind the scenes. Including what authority and resources are behind the announcements.

Best of luck; I hope it turns out well. In the meantime, with that 3 feet of snow, it's not affecting any players' plans for the next couple of months.

da Crippler 02-10-2019 12:01 PM

As a sort of unofficial spokesman I want to keep people informed, but on the other hand there are still people actively working against us so I don't want to give too much away. Actually the real estate transaction is none of my business either and I know very little about that part, the same with MMs interactions with John and the details of his recent illness. But I believe him when he tells me that everything is on track, and I'm operating under the belief that the plan is still in place. I wish I could be more specific, but all we can do at the moment is ask for patience and promise to keep the community informed as much as possible.

HeavyCritters 02-10-2019 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by da Crippler (Post 3415243)
I was just looking at the Big Top Chautauqua lineup from last year, lots of national talent performing up there all summer long. If Highbridge was set up for music festivals with a proper stage, it shouldn't be too hard convincing some of those artists to take a side gig at HH maybe once a month on top of any festivals we may have.

This is laughable. Big Top is a known brand (I used to volunteer there in high school ages ago).

HBH is currently a punchline. You're going to have to put in a ton of work to draw acts from Big Top Chautauqua.


<3

da Crippler 02-10-2019 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by HeavyCritters (Post 3415553)
This is laughable. Big Top is a known brand (I used to volunteer there in high school ages ago).

HBH is currently a punchline. You're going to have to put in a ton of work to draw acts from Big Top Chautauqua.


<3

What an incredible buzz kill wet blanket you are dude. Do you have anything positive to add? Anything at all? I mean I really want to understand why you are so filled with hate. Why would you go out of your way to sh*t on everything about this project you don't approve of? If you don't have anything but this crap to spew out on this subject or any other concerning HH, just please STFU about it and please keep your opinions of me and the rest of the HH team to yourself. We are trying to do positive things for disc golf, we're considering any idea that could enhance the experience. You are a negative entity, please find somewhere else to troll.

HeavyCritters 02-10-2019 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by da Crippler (Post 3415564)
What an incredible buzz kill wet blanket you are dude. Do you have anything positive to add? Anything at all? I mean I really want to understand why you are so filled with hate. Why would you go out of your way to sh*t on everything about this project you don't approve of? If you don't have anything but this crap to spew out on this subject or any other concerning HH, just please STFU about it and please keep your opinions of me and the rest of the HH team to yourself. We are trying to do positive things for disc golf, we're considering any idea that could enhance the experience. You are a negative entity, please find somewhere else to troll.

How about you give this thread something tangible and then you can talk about me trolling...

air show 02-10-2019 11:47 PM

Getting back to baskets I think a disc golf basket museum would be really cool. A museum with early baskets and tone poles and other ingenious targets.

As for baskets on the course I really like the looks and the build of the Prodigy. Another favorite of mine is the Re-tire basket. If you haven't had the chance to putt on one I think you would be pleasantly surprised. The only problem with them is they are so dam ugly.

Mushin No Shin 02-11-2019 01:40 AM

I sure hope there's no interference with a huge Basket Expo Concert, during the Rollerblade-Hackey Sack-Tobogganing Triathlon event, that's been in the works for the past decade up at HbH mind you

kyflash 02-11-2019 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by HeavyCritters (Post 3415578)
How about you give this thread something tangible and then you can talk about me trolling...

Wow.....that is the best way to shut down an information pipeline.

He told you there were reasons to withhold some info.
If you aren't happy with what nuggets are handed down, go to another thread.

oldfartdiscer 02-11-2019 05:28 PM

Is this what is called triggered?

Innova63 02-11-2019 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by da Crippler (Post 3415416)
As a sort of unofficial spokesman I want to keep people informed, but on the other hand there are still people actively working against us so I don't want to give too much away. Actually the real estate transaction is none of my business either and I know very little about that part, the same with MMs interactions with John and the details of his recent illness. But I believe him when he tells me that everything is on track, and I'm operating under the belief that the plan is still in place. I wish I could be more specific, but all we can do at the moment is ask for patience and promise to keep the community informed as much as possible.

I have worked with way to many people that like to tell everyone what they are going to do....
and not get things done.

I have learned that I would rather people get things done and talk about what they did.

I think I read MM say he would rather under promise and over deliver.

I am okay with that and actually prefer it.

UP Mountain Man 02-12-2019 08:16 AM

Cool Story
 
Cool story. Met with the owner, made a down payment, and bought Highbridge Hills Disc Golf Megaplex, on Sunday. Had an 8 hour round trip, with light to medium snow falling. The entire day felt just like my trip to Detroit 8yrs ago, the day that I bought my first disc golf course...Mountain Man's Playground, Ironwood MI. Both of these days were surreal days.

This is my vision for 2019.

Our primary focus will always be on the disc golf, and the disc golf courses. Getting a course open is a priority. Getting more open is a second priority, and having all courses open is third priority. To be clear, there are currently 6 courses here. Blueberry, Gold, Granite, The Bear, Woodland Greens, and Chestnut. I've always clung to a Chuck K. comment about Tiki Course's, so perhaps we'll try one on for size.

Second priority will be the courses. We will be putting back everything to the original Chuck Kennedy designs. The lines will be brushed out and opened up. Chuck has mentioned digging up his alt position notebooks, and really hooking us up.

We'll be having several Tournaments this year, first one will be last weekend of April. If you are interested in running an event here, please let us know.

Our third priority is getting set up for camping. We are working with Ashland County Officials on this matter.

I will figure out a system for communication and reservations, etc.

davetherocketguy 02-12-2019 08:26 AM

The ENTIRE HH complex is now yours?

Wow.

:popcorn:

DavidSauls 02-12-2019 08:53 AM

Not to be pedantic, but there's usually a distinction between made a down payment (contracted to buy) and owning.

But that said, I'll bet Sunday was an extremely giddy day. Heck, I remember the day we contracted to buy land that would eventually become a disc golf course, and the day we left the closing, drove to the property, and walked on land that was ours---both were thrilling. And that was just for 62 acres of vacant land.

pmay5 02-12-2019 09:46 AM

Great to hear MM!! CONGRATS!!! :hfive:

Glad to have you back, hope you are feeling better. :thmbup:

Darkgreen 02-12-2019 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by UP Mountain Man (Post 3416223)
Cool story. Met with the owner, made a down payment, and bought Highbridge Hills Disc Golf Megaplex, on Sunday. Had an 8 hour round trip, with light to medium snow falling. The entire day felt just like my trip to Detroit 8yrs ago, the day that I bought my first disc golf course...Mountain Man's Playground, Ironwood MI. Both of these days were surreal days.

This is my vision for 2019.

Our primary focus will always be on the disc golf, and the disc golf courses. Getting a course open is a priority. Getting more open is a second priority, and having all courses open is third priority. To be clear, there are currently 6 courses here. Blueberry, Gold, Granite, The Bear, Woodland Greens, and Chestnut. I've always clung to a Chuck K. comment about Tiki Course's, so perhaps we'll try one on for size.

Second priority will be the courses. We will be putting back everything to the original Chuck Kennedy designs. The lines will be brushed out and opened up. Chuck has mentioned digging up his alt position notebooks, and really hooking us up.

We'll be having several Tournaments this year, first one will be last weekend of April. If you are interested in running an event here, please let us know.

Our third priority is getting set up for camping. We are working with Ashland County Officials on this matter.

I will figure out a system for communication and reservations, etc.

Great to hear. When you say, met with the owner, what owner are you talking about? Arenít there multiple owners? Doesnít John own some of the property? Are you going to be the owner of all of HH?

XC_Eddy 02-12-2019 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Darkgreen (Post 3416260)
Great to hear. When you say, met with the owner, what owner are you talking about? Arenít there multiple owners? Doesnít John own some of the property? Are you going to be the owner of all of HH?

I was wondering this same thing. The ownership situation sounded complicated.

There are probably still lots of important details to be hashed out, more than you tell us, but a meeting and a down payment are great signs. Thatís some real, measurable progress.

Hope the camping works out. Will there be other streams of revenue? Music festivals had been discussed? Will the course be pay to play? Itís just so hard not to be skeptical given HBHís past.

Questions aside, Good work mm! Get that course up and running again!

BuiltTooLong 02-12-2019 11:03 AM

I would highly recommend dumping Chestnut if it means having all the music festival things in that area and away from the actual courses.

DatRedDude 02-12-2019 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by roggenb3 (Post 3414814)
Gold: Yellow DISCatchers
Bear: Black (or orange) Mach X
Woodlands: Green Prodigy T3
Granite: Red Dynamic Veteran
BB: Blue Mach V

please never do green baskets, this shouldn't even be a color option from manufacturers. We have courses in woods, why do we camouflage baskets? the point is that they should stand out.

Badger45 02-12-2019 11:36 AM

Yeah, or just turn Chestnut into a 9-hole or your tiki course. It's separated enough from the main grounds that it should keep courses from being trampled and baskets from being destroyed in the event that these concerts are what we've seen in the past.

ru4por 02-12-2019 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Darkgreen (Post 3416260)
Great to hear. When you say, met with the owner, what owner are you talking about? Arenít there multiple owners? Doesnít John own some of the property? Are you going to be the owner of all of HH?

This is kind of the same information we have received here a couple times. It does not seem as if MM is looking to disclose any information, just teasing us with hope that HB will not die. I expect in his own time he will share.

roggenb3 02-12-2019 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DatRedDude (Post 3416299)
please never do green baskets, this shouldn't even be a color option from manufacturers. We have courses in woods, why do we camouflage baskets? the point is that they should stand out.

Have you ever played on them? I've played a couple courses with green prodigys, in the woods, and had zero issues. In fact, they were far easier to find than any silver basket without a band. They are bright green, it's not like they are making them in forest green.

Human eyes see more shades of green than any other color, so it's pretty easy to pick up on bright green, even with a darker green background.

Monocacy 02-12-2019 01:11 PM

Agreed. Green-banded baskets can be quite visible, depending on the shade of green.

BuzzzFlicker87 02-12-2019 01:17 PM

The old chestnut layout was pretty fun and the campground course for night golf. Please keep it! Why not just pull the baskets during events?

davetherocketguy 02-12-2019 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by roggenb3 (Post 3416317)
Have you ever played on them? I've played a couple courses with green prodigys, in the woods, and had zero issues. In fact, they were far easier to find than any silver basket without a band. They are bright green, it's not like they are making them in forest green.

Human eyes see more shades of green than any other color, so it's pretty easy to pick up on bright green, even with a darker green background.

The Prodigy baskets are definitely the right shade of green. Very visible. We have them locally here at River Park in Benton Harbor and throughout the seasons they stay very visible against a variety of shades of natural green.

-Dave

Cgkdisc 02-12-2019 01:34 PM

If you plan to do a Tiki course, locating it on the Chestnut site seems to make the most sense for both local and tourist access. It's right on County C for visibility. There will be parking, rest rooms, check-in location, nearby power for all kinds of LED course and basket lighting plus I seem to remember the County added a few lights on the highway. It's next to the camping area for access all hours. A true 18-hole Tiki course with most holes between 50-125 feet could weave in and out of the mostly wooded space of the original Chestnut 9 and leave much of the big open space (where the big basket is mowed into the hill) for festivals.

juju 02-12-2019 01:39 PM

I don't know what to believe.

DatRedDude 02-12-2019 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by roggenb3 (Post 3416317)
Have you ever played on them? I've played a couple courses with green prodigys, in the woods, and had zero issues. In fact, they were far easier to find than any silver basket without a band. They are bright green, it's not like they are making them in forest green.

Human eyes see more shades of green than any other color, so it's pretty easy to pick up on bright green, even with a darker green background.

yes a local course has them, ran a league at said course. Bright green during the spring and fall is no bueno for me. We will just agree to disagree on this, green anything in the woods, i dont care what shade doens't work for my vision. Maybe it does for yours and a majority of the other human eyes you know but most people in my area that have played this course think along the same lines as me.

DavidSauls 02-12-2019 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ru4por (Post 3416305)
This is kind of the same information we have received here a couple times. It does not seem as if MM is looking to disclose any information, just teasing us with hope that HB will not die. I expect in his own time he will share.

I found his "Met with the owner, made a down payment, and bought Highbridge Hills Disc Golf Megaplex, on Sunday" to be a lot more substantive than all that's preceded it.

ru4por 02-12-2019 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DavidSauls (Post 3416387)
I found his "Met with the owner, made a down payment, and bought Highbridge Hills Disc Golf Megaplex, on Sunday" to be a lot more substantive than all that's preceded it.

Credit where credit is due......though the definition of owner is a complete unknown.


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