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discspeed 05-06-2010 11:02 AM

Lat64 Fuse
 
Here's my first DGR/DGCR double post, but many here don't go there, so I think its relevant.

Quick rundown...I need to throw it some more, but this is the most interesting mid I've thrown in a while. It doesn't feel or fly quite like anything else out there, but at the same time seems to do exactly what a mid should. I would compare it to a Comet/Aurora/Hawk with a more modern profile thus making it much more comfortable for me in the hand than any of those. It may have the most glide I've ever seen out of a mid. It has a slow motion flight and that is what makes me think of the Comet/Hawk, but its not nearly as touchy as those. It prefers a smooth throw, but doesn't suck if powered either. It has less fade than a Buzzz, will flip a little, yet I still would not call it understable as it locks onto a line rather than continuing to turn. Shots where I did turn it too much it did not ground out (like a Comet would) rather it went a long way forward while going a long way to the right. Long story short...The Fuse is a FUN FUN FUN disc to throw...It makes you want to go to a short course and play a one disc round.

Like all other Lat discs I've tried, the Opto flew WAY BETTER than the Goldline. The GL did not have the slow motion glide and was flippier. The flippiness without the glide tended to produce flights that went off line for me. I'm just about ready to say that I hate Goldline plastic. Looks pretty in the hand, but not in the air. Maybe this is personal preference because I haven't heard anyone else knocking the GLs, but I have a strong preference for Opto.

Technohic 05-06-2010 11:12 AM

Nice write up. So do you think GL is flippier on all of their molds then?

discspeed 05-06-2010 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Technohic (Post 342299)
Nice write up. So do you think GL is flippier on all of their molds then?

Flippier, less grip, less glide...

AdamCaudle 05-06-2010 01:34 PM

Good review. By the way, I saw the dude in your avatar on Letterman the other night and for a split second I was thinking you were on TV.

BrotherDave 05-06-2010 01:40 PM

How much does it (opto version) specifically compare to a Qms?

Daddy-O 05-06-2010 01:44 PM

This is not helping my disc expenditures! I had plannned to just order just 1 in Goldline, but now I just ended up ordering one of each.

Enablers!

discspeed 05-06-2010 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by BrotherDave (Post 342433)
How much does it (opto version) specifically compare to a Qms?

Similar with more glide...It reminds me of this old QMS I had that was from the first run of clear ones that still had some late CE plastic in them. That one glided much more than the new ones. It seems easier to throw far, where the QMS you have to throw a little harder.

Technohic 05-06-2010 02:11 PM

So would you think an Opto Fuse would be smilar to a GL Core in stability but more glide?

discspeed 05-06-2010 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Technohic (Post 342461)
So would you think an Opto Fuse would be smilar to a GL Core in stability but more glide?

That's a decent comparison, but the Fuse still holds the line better, is slower, and flies better a little higher in the air.

solomon.trenton 05-06-2010 06:56 PM

i think the gold lines are straighter than the opto and the sparkles are even better

BrotherDave 05-06-2010 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by discspeed (Post 342457)
It seems easier to throw far, where the QMS you have to throw a little harder.

Crap, I was afraid you were gonna say that. More Swedish invasion of my bag then. I loved my Qms's but to get them to behave properly I'd have to put more on them than I wanted for certain finesse situations and I never could find the appropriate sweet spot in the power range.

jrawk 05-06-2010 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by discspeed (Post 342353)
the Opto flew WAY BETTER than the Goldline. The GL did not have the slow motion glide and was flippier....

Flippier, less grip, less glide...

Solid review. I agree about GL being more understable and less grippy than Opto, and has less of that "slow motion glide". But GL seems to go a bit further for me (strikers and cores). Not sure if that has anything to do with less glide. But i do find the Optos easier to throw. Just a much more consistant release. A little more stable to mask my oat. :|

Looking forward to trying a Fuse.

volmed10 05-06-2010 09:32 PM

How would you describe the rim? Is it similar in shape to a Core, Buzzz, Roc, Stingray, etc.?

Also, to what midrange would you compare the HSS of the Fuse?

volmed10 05-06-2010 09:55 PM

Also, how flat are the discs? Are they relatively domey like a Roc, or flat like a Buzzz?

Thanks in advance.

discspeed 05-07-2010 09:15 AM

Here's a post I made @ DGR that answers these questions:

The PLH on the two discs is nearly identical. If anything the Opto is slightly higher.

For shape, the GL is flatter all the way across. The Opto isn't exactly domey, just like an average Roc. It has a higher shoulder but is still fairly flat across the top 1/4 of the disc. I must say, the Fuse is the CLOSEST thing to a beadless Roc that has yet been made. The bottom of the disc is actually rounded like a big bead which feels awesome in the hand. Its as if the Buzzz, Roc, and Comet somehow spawned a child.

billnchristy 05-07-2010 09:18 AM

Being a huge core fan that never got over the loss of my original purple opto that flew nothing like the 4 I have bought since...

How would you compare the fuse to a mako? My daughter recently won one and I have been loving its ease of throwing, good glide, and shape-ibility of lines.

discspeed 05-07-2010 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by billnchristy (Post 343548)
Being a huge core fan that never got over the loss of my original purple opto that flew nothing like the 4 I have bought since...

How would you compare the fuse to a mako? My daughter recently won one and I have been loving its ease of throwing, good glide, and shape-ibility of lines.

The Mako is almost a mid/driver hybrid like the Storm or Cobra...It is long/fast for a mid. It is good for straight shots, but it seemed a little touchy on hyzers and anhyzers. The Fuse is pure mid. It is slower than the Mako and depends more on the thrower choosing the right line/height and then gliding slowly to the target. I'm looking forward to throwing the Fuse a bunch more today so I'll be able to write a better review.

billnchristy 05-07-2010 09:33 AM

Cool, when I can start using my left arm again I will pick one up...sounds like a fun disc.

EL-KABONG 05-07-2010 11:59 AM

Gonna start w an opto fuse.

when my gl discs were new they did everything better (grip/glide/distance).but I am finding after break-in I am going back to my optos (w core and striker).

volmed10 05-07-2010 02:58 PM

Ordered an orange 178g Opto Fuse from CDGS last night, and will probably have it in my hands on Monday. :wall:

I read your reviews on DGR after I posted my questions (sorry about the repetitiveness), and the one thing that caught my attention was that the rim is similar to what a beadless Roc would be. For me, the Roc would be great if it didn't have the bead (which tears my index finger apart), so this mid may just be a winner.

adamb258 05-07-2010 04:07 PM

Just got mine today from gggt, I wont have the opportunity to really throw it for a few days but I can tell you it feels AWESOME in my hand. It feels like a sleeker core and the opto plastic feels even better than my opto core. The color is also a dayglowish green/yellow, a huge improvement from my other latitude 64 colors If latitude continues making discs of this quality and the fuse flies like I imagine, lat 64 will slowly be taking over my bag. Now if they would just make understable/stable fairway comparable to a leopard =)

discspeed 05-07-2010 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by adamb258 (Post 344055)
Now if they would just make understable/stable fairway comparable to a leopard =)

You do know that this disc has already been prototyped and will be the next in production, don't you? Its called the River.

discspeed 05-07-2010 05:26 PM

I just got back from the course and many Fuse throws. It is like a slightly slower Buzzz with more glide and a lower cruising speed. As much as I like my 5 mold bag, the Fuse is getting a temporary spot in place of my X Buzzz (which I've yet to really develop a good relationship with). It holds annys so well that I'm already better with it than I was with my X Buzzz (which is all sort of bent now after a tree hit yesterday off the tee). Stability-wise the Fuse is very similar to the Buzzz...Only a slight turn on a hard throw and it turns slow and holds the line. Its easier to throw with touch than a Buzzz, so I also liked that part of it. With the wind it was an absolute champ, flying straight and easy with a little snap. Into the wind it was not the best, but it was still workable as the turn was slow. Definitely better than a Comet into the wind.

I threw the GL one today too, but all I have to say is that I would probably like it fine if I'd never thrown the Opto Fuse, but since I have it just seems to pale in comparison. Goldline Fuse = meh, Opto Fuse = glidelicious.

teebob 05-07-2010 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by discspeed (Post 342288)
Here's my first DGR/DGCR double post, but many here don't go there, so I think its relevant.

Quick rundown...I need to throw it some more, but this is the most interesting mid I've thrown in a while. It doesn't feel or fly quite like anything else out there, but at the same time seems to do exactly what a mid should. I would compare it to a Comet/Aurora/Hawk with a more modern profile thus making it much more comfortable for me in the hand than any of those. It may have the most glide I've ever seen out of a mid. It has a slow motion flight and that is what makes me think of the Comet/Hawk, but its not nearly as touchy as those. It prefers a smooth throw, but doesn't suck if powered either. It has less fade than a Buzzz, will flip a little, yet I still would not call it understable as it locks onto a line rather than continuing to turn. Shots where I did turn it too much it did not ground out (like a Comet would) rather it went a long way forward while going a long way to the right. Long story short...The Fuse is a FUN FUN FUN disc to throw...It makes you want to go to a short course and play a one disc round.

Sounds exactly like a skeeter...

discspeed 05-07-2010 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by teebob (Post 344122)
Sounds exactly like a skeeter...


I'm questioning my own review if someone thinks that sounds like a Skeeter. Skeeters are speed sensitive, nose angle sensitive, fast turning, and flippy. The Fuse is nothing like that. It is much more in the Buzzz/Roc/Shark/Wasp/Comet family in terms of speed, glide, and nose angle sensitivity.

teebob 05-07-2010 05:46 PM

I get my skeeter out up to 325 with a little hyzer. It seems to take forever to get there. Once it flips out of hyzer it glides forever dead straight. I can make it turn fast or slow, its all in how you throw it. When was the last time you threw one? 2007? :)

jrawk 05-07-2010 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by discspeed (Post 344120)
I just got back from the course and many Fuse throws. It is like a slightly slower Buzzz with more glide and a lower cruising speed. As much as I like my 5 mold bag, the Fuse is getting a temporary spot in place of my X Buzzz (which I've yet to really develop a good relationship with). It holds annys so well...

darn-it, Discspeed... I was afraid you'd say that. Just when i committed to my current setup for the year. :\

adamb258 05-07-2010 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by discspeed (Post 344119)
You do know that this disc has already been prototyped and will be the next in production, don't you? Its called the River.

gasp! I must have misread but I thought the river was a much faster disc than the leopard with a much wider rim. I guess ill have to take another look at the specs. Happy days

jrawk 05-07-2010 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by adamb258 (Post 344132)
gasp! I must have misread but I thought the river was a much faster disc than the leopard with a much wider rim. I guess ill have to take another look at the specs. Happy days

me thinks you're thinking of the vision.

BrotherDave 05-11-2010 05:07 PM

bump

Apothecary 05-11-2010 05:45 PM

my local shop is getting them tomorrow. cant wait to check em out!

discspeed 05-11-2010 07:45 PM

I've been throwing mine a lot, and I let my buddy play with the goldline for a round on a short course. Both fly good, they are just different. So far I'm still using the Opto, mainly as a turnover disc, or to throw touch upshots. I've tried it on other shots though and its been impressive.

adamb258 05-11-2010 07:50 PM

I finally got mine out today and it is a very interesting disc. The wind was 30+ mph so it didnt come out too often. What i noticed when i did throw it was its glide. I thought crap thats going going to fall short, but nope it just kept on gliding right to where I would normally throw my core. I got it turned over once right as a decent gust of wind hit and it went right for days, lol. It feels like a perfect pairing with my GL and opto core. Midrange satisfaction, check!

EL-KABONG 05-12-2010 03:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Apothecary (Post 347395)
my local shop is getting them tomorrow. cant wait to check em out!

would that be dtworld? That means they finally got outta customs @ LAX?!

McGuire419 05-12-2010 12:35 PM

I would love to throw one of these. I have a GL and Opto Vision, and the Opto feels much more domey.... holds its line better for me as well.. The GL fights back whereas the opto never comes back for me... seem like different discs for me anyways.

Strauss 05-12-2010 11:03 PM

Discspeed> Have you noticed the sharp edge on the nose of the Fuse? I'm not talking about the bottom of the rim where flashing usually is, but on the actual "nose" of the disc. The Fuse that I got has a very distinct sharp edge on the outer nose of the disc. I wasn't sure if it was flashing or if it's just part of the mold.

discspeed 05-12-2010 11:06 PM

Alright...I was definitely premature in my criticism of the Goldline Fuse. After watching my buddy throw it really well, I left my Opto in the car and played with the Goldline exclusively today. After a couple of throws I started to groove and see what this disc is all about. It flies very much like a glidey, understable Buzzz. Its understability allows for some great touch shots. It is a little faster than the Opto, and doesn't hang in the air the same, but it still has awesome glide and it may actually be more effortless to throw. I also think that it compliments my Buzzz better than the Opto because it is less stable where the Opto overlaps with my Buzzzes more in stability. It feels almost exactly like the Buzzz in my hand, and shares a lot of the same flight characteristics as well. All in all I'm really changing my tune one the GL Fuse and its quickly becoming the first GL disc I've liked.

discspeed 05-12-2010 11:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Strauss (Post 348984)
Discspeed> Have you noticed the sharp edge on the nose of the Fuse? I'm not talking about the bottom of the rim where flashing usually is, but on the actual "nose" of the disc. The Fuse that I got has a very distinct sharp edge on the outer nose of the disc. I wasn't sure if it was flashing or if it's just part of the mold.

Thats just some flashing from where the two outer pieces of the mold come together. I've noticed it on several Lat discs.

BrotherDave 05-12-2010 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by discspeed (Post 348991)
Alright...I was definitely premature in my criticism of the Goldline Fuse. After watching my buddy throw it really well, I left my Opto in the car and played with the Goldline exclusively today. After a couple of throws I started to groove and see what this disc is all about. It flies very much like a glidey, understable Buzzz. Its understability allows for some great touch shots. It is a little faster than the Opto, and doesn't hang in the air the same, but it still has awesome glide and it may actually be more effortless to throw. I also think that it compliments my Buzzz better than the Opto because it is less stable where the Opto overlaps with my Buzzzes more in stability. It feels almost exactly like the Buzzz in my hand, and shares a lot of the same flight characteristics as well. All in all I'm really changing my tune one the GL Fuse and its quickly becoming the first GL disc I've liked.

Oh. Snap.

Which one is more Z Comet like in flight? Opto or GL?

discspeed 05-12-2010 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by BrotherDave (Post 348999)
Oh. Snap.

Which one is more Z Comet like in flight? Opto or GL?

They are both faster than Comets, but in flight...
Opto is like a domey Z Comet.
Goldline is like an ESP Comet.


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