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seedlings 10-20-2020 10:40 PM

It also sounds like you’re making a very huge, important point, that consists of 1/60th of a second and 2 degrees of movement. That is less than a rounding error.

RoDeO 10-20-2020 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by seedlings (Post 3646422)
Heel touches last frame of the gif, and thatís when the hips start to rotate... his femurs rotate inside the hips to give forward momentum- now, forward momentum is from back foot to front foot, and thatís the movement you see, then as the heel plants, the hips THEN rotate around the lead femur. They canít rotate around the lead femur until the weight is off the back femur.

Hum...maybe your GIF on your personal device is showing his heel touch. On my device it show like 3 frames and his heel is still an inch or two off the ground in the last frame.

RoDeO 10-20-2020 10:46 PM

Here in this GIF I stop it just as strong brace is about to happen. Look at the rotated hip in the last frame.

https://i.makeagif.com/media/10-21-2020/CGzypv.gif

seedlings 10-20-2020 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by RoDeO (Post 3646425)
Here in this GIF I stop it just as strong brace is about to happen. Look at the rotated hip in the last frame.

https://i.makeagif.com/media/10-21-2020/CGzypv.gif

Yep- always after heel plant brace. Before that it’s forward weight shift.

dreadlock86 10-20-2020 11:35 PM

it's the difference between lateral shift and rotation. not sure why that's so hard to grasp but it's probably because you can see the left femur rotate as the hips shift forward. if you watch the full gif, it actually makes it look like the hips are rotating the opposite direction for a moment.


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Originally Posted by RoDeO (Post 3646324)
How's the popcorn on the sidelines? Did they get enough butter and salt for your likening?

i'm here for the lulz, holmes. you think i'm supposed to get something out of this?

seedlings 10-21-2020 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by seedlings (Post 3646423)
It also sounds like youíre making a very huge, important point, that consists of 1/60th of a second and 2 degrees of movement. That is less than a rounding error.

Still this.

RoDeO 10-21-2020 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by seedlings (Post 3646431)
Yep- always after heel plant brace. Before that itís forward weight shift.

Humm... You honestly can't see his hip turning? Maybe watch his coat pocket and watch it begin to rotate before his heel comes down. Thst could only happen if his hip is rotating.

RoDeO 10-21-2020 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by seedlings (Post 3646423)
It also sounds like youíre making a very huge, important point, that consists of 1/60th of a second and 2 degrees of movement. That is less than a rounding error.

The hips rotate about 90 degrees from reachback to the release point of the disc. At strong foot brace, the hips have rotated halfway (45 degrees) through their total rotation. It's why when you view the throw from the side that the hips are facing about 45 degrees backwards as the lead leg starts to come forward and then at strong brace the hips are facing the camera.

RandyC 10-21-2020 12:28 AM

These slowmotions are so stupid but Iīll take a bite. First of all the way his rear foot rolls indicates a linear move not a rotational one other wise we would see the heel rotating around the ankle and not driving forward first. Second indicator here is that if he had weight/pressure on his rear leg and was rotating from it his lead shoulder would be open at heel strike but it stays closed even when his rear leg is completly off the ground. If you compare it to your own throw where you are spinning from rear leg, you are completely open way before the rear leg is off the ground, this is simply because Paul nor anyone throwing far is _NOT_ rotating from the rear leg.

Paul is one of the few players who tend to plant bit more open on controlled drives which this is. In the original video the weightshift, move from behind is extremly clear compared to this nitpick gif. All the power Paul has generated is done in the very first frames of that gif, extension of the ankle, knee, hip. Rest is just deweighted leg collapsing against a brace, it is not a power generator. The rotational part of the hip is just to get your body out of the way of the swing, not to generate force.

RoDeO 10-21-2020 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by RandyC (Post 3646450)
These slowmotions are so stupid but Iīll take a bite. First of all the way his rear foot rolls indicates a linear move not a rotational one other wise we would see the heel rotating around the ankle and not driving forward first. Second indicator here is that if he had weight/pressure on his rear leg and was rotating from it his lead shoulder would be open at heel strike but it stays closed even when his rear leg is completly off the ground. If you compare it to your own throw where you are spinning from rear leg, you are completely open way before the rear leg is off the ground, this is simply because Paul nor anyone throwing far is _NOT_ rotating from the rear leg.

Paul is one of the few players who tend to plant bit more open on controlled drives which this is. In the original video the weightshift, move from behind is extremly clear compared to this nitpick gif. All the power Paul has generated is done in the very first frames of that gif, extension of the ankle, knee, hip. Rest is just deweighted leg collapsing against a brace, it is not a power generator. The rotational part of the hip is just to get your body out of the way of the swing, not to generate force.

So what pulls the disc through?


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