I was comparing plasma, fission and electron, which all have different flight numbers. My proton volt doesn’t have flight numbers on it and I currently don’t have a neutron. But you are correct, neuton, proton and plasma share the same flight numbers.

You are in luck you waited long enough to come back haha. It was a rough couple years waiting for the new mids. I think you will find it was worth it. They aren't quite the same but the distance potential is huge on the new ones. I also loved the switch and axis many moons ago.

So, what's your mid set up now? I was thinking of trying a N Hex to replace the N Axis, as it appears to be a direct replacement but I was perhaps tempted to try to cycle Electron Matrix as well. As for the Vector, I'm thinking the Reactor is where it's at, but maybe a Proton Matrix would also work good? What have you tried and what did you end up bagging if you don't mind me asking?

I'll pitch in here too. Prior to MVP releasing the updated mids I was throwing the Wasp/Buzzz/Meteor combo. Now I am using the Reactor/Hex/Uplink. I also carry the Pyro but I don't use it as much as the Reactors. In fairness, I didn't throw the matrix or axis much but I know the Matrix is still in production.

The reactor, if eclipse, is very stable, 5 5 0 2...but in fission or neutron it's 5 5 -0.5 1.5. A lot of times I am throwing it about 85% where I need something to stretch longer than the envy but have that reliable fade with no turn in flight. Full rip it can sometimes get a baby turn but I am finding out that at full rip I tend to hyzer the disc a bit so I don't always see the -0.5 of the Reactor or the Volt for that matter.

The Hex is very much like a Buzzz. I did a 1v1 round with a Ledgestone Buzzz (2022 cryZtal) and they flew almost identical lines. Both max weight I'd say the buzzz is just a tick more stable but the hex seemed to always push further by 15'-30'.

The uplink is understable but surprisingly controllable. At 75-85% power it can flip up, have a nice straight flight with a small fade. At full rip and hyzer it flips to flat, turns over and comes back at the end. Full power flat it flies straight and has this late fade and pushes right and pans flat at the end of flight. I want to add that the Uplink is everything I wanted the meteor to be. Every meteor I've owned has been fairly HSS and hard to turnover. Maybe I got bad runs or something but I never jived with it, but i was definitely straighter and held the anhyzer better than the buzzz.

I've also thrown the paradox a ton...it is super fun and super flippy but ultimately for my power I much prefer the uplink. I've considered the paradox for low speed glidey shots that I need to get out of some low cover but also get a decent amount of distance...but the uplink can do that well enough for me as well.

Given this is hte MVP thread...and Mint is technically made by MVP...I am intrigued by the Bobcat/Mustang/Lobster. I have thrown the Lobster and observed it to not be as understable as I expected but I have not thrown the other two.

I think that when throwing gyro, especially the putters and mids where I am confident in my ability to get the right speed and spin on the discs, they do go a bit further than the solo mold comparison discs. So having an Envy and Buzzz causes some overlap because I can stretch the envy into Buzzz range. But replacing the Buzzz with a Hex brings back a little more disparity in distances and less overlap.

My current mid setup is....

Uplink or two.

3 envy

Hahaha. I'd grab a uplink, reactor, hex. They are all fairly desirable, nothing will be a total replacement but it's a nice span between em.

The uplink has the glide of an axis and the control of a theory.

Hex is tangent kind of flight and body, but more of a axis replacement with good glide (but not quite as much) and a lower power requirement. If you used to boot it hard and get it powered up you will like the touch you get with the hex to range. It's a very straight disc though, on par but it doesn't cut the same extreme single angles.

Reactor turns easier than a vector but also holds straight better. It has a more reliable hookup but is less likely to turn and burn when you push it over as far. The vector does 5 degrees of anny before getting touchy, the reactor can shape a full spectrum of turn and always comes back to fade when you want. Depending on weight or if it's eclipse, it's a touch turnover mid or a straight pusher. Spans a huge range of shots in different weights. You will find it is between the axis and vector, kind of.

Not a huge fan of the paradox, it's good but touchy, im investing a lot of time in the uplink. It's the axis for a ten year older and 100' shorter me.

A friend has Electron and Proton Matrixes (Matrices?). I’ve thrown them but haven’t quite figured out what they’re going for. Initial impressions are that it lacks a bit of glide and fades gracelessly.

I'm definitely a Reactor fan and prefer the Fission. I think I’ve thrown all the current production except for the Echo. The Deflector’s too much for me. Still trying to sort out Runway vs Pyro for my rationally OS slot. Reactor as the anchor. Didn’t quite connect with the Neutron Hex: I probably needed to power it down a bit. I have ordered a Fission Hex though and expect that’ll be an excellent straight flyer.

I did succumb and order a Fission Hex. Hoping it’ll function as a sort of long Proxy and just keep going.

Separately, I was marveling again the other day at the Crave as a Hokom sig disc. It’s not intuitive as a (checks notes) FH option.

Right now MVP owns my 5-speed slots. I'm forehand dominant, and I've been pleasantly surprised by how well even the understable stuff handles torque so well. Neutron Hex is my understable forehand turnover mid, Eclipse Reactor is dead straight with just a tiny bit of fade to finish, and Plasma Prism Pyro is my OS mid. I'm not sold on the Pyro yet. Still need to check out a Deflector, Matrix, and Runway.

Man...I went around trying to find a Glitch today and they are all gone. I knew everyone was excited for this disc but I didn't realize it would sell out so abruptly. Hopefully there is another release soon because I did want to try it out. I was able to pick up a soft Proxy...maybe someone can help me out here but I can't get that disc to turnover. I was using that and a soft neutron envy and it's easy to see the difference on forced anhyzers--the proxy holds it almost to the ground while the envy pulls out of the flex much quicker. But thrown flat, the only difference I am having is a bit less fade. I may not be getting the right spin on the disc I suppose.

My mid set up is Hex, Envy, and now maybe Glitch? It's not really a mid, but I'll use it for approaches and a few drives on shorter holes.

Mail call!

Back from vacation and taking a first stab at answering my own question above. The plasma vanish does seem to be a little stiffer than the wave all things being equal. Closer to the 0/2 of the zenith van to the -3/2 stated flight numbers. Will definitely know more this weekend. And also, happy non-EK eclipse reactor day to me.