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 RoDeO 10-28-2020 09:22 AM

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 Originally Posted by sidewinder22 (Post 3649368) But you did create rotation. You were using all your might to resist rotation. https://i.makeagif.com/media/9-22-2020/twYPgw.gif Not sure I follow. You spin a top by pulling in straight line. Wouldn't just moving the shoulder away from the hip spin it?
There is no resisting at all- 0%! You make it sound like the harder your shift the more your hips will rotate. So not true. One can only turn the hips if he initiates that turn during the lateral shift. It's a dynamic turn- it doesn't all of a sudden happen.

The idea with spinning the top with the backside of the shoulder is to create enough torque by the torso to powerfully turn the shoulders which lag behind. We are after all whipping the arm with rotational Force aren't we?

 seedlings 10-28-2020 09:28 AM

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 Originally Posted by RoDeO (Post 3649427) That its a dynamic weight shift and hip turn?
From the full reach back
1) Shift weight/butt/hips linear toward target
3) Turn hips around plant

 RowingBoats 10-28-2020 09:40 AM

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 Originally Posted by RoDeO (Post 3649433) You make it sound like the harder your shift the more your hips will rotate. So not true.
The more powerful the lateral shift becomes, the more momentum there is to brace against. This directly increases the power you can send up the kinetic chain.

 seedlings 10-28-2020 10:01 AM

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 Originally Posted by RowingBoats (Post 3649441) The more powerful the lateral shift becomes, the more momentum there is to brace against. This directly increases the power you can send up the kinetic chain.
Not if you rotate your hips first.

 RowingBoats 10-28-2020 10:31 AM

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 Originally Posted by seedlings (Post 3649456) Not if you rotate your hips first.
Exactly. Just sitting here thinking about it...

If rotation is believed to be the engine of the power, the mentality of the swing is to begin rotating off the back leg with the spine as the axis. Won't the action of swinging your arm out from the axis actually slow the movement down from when it starts until the hit? I am not 100% sure on this, and would love to see real scientific data on it.

If rotation were the ideal goal, I believe the swing would be more like a 360. People would do something like a figure skater spin, bringing it all 'in', then eject out of that?

 RoDeO 10-28-2020 11:09 AM

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 Originally Posted by RowingBoats (Post 3649475) Exactly. Just sitting here thinking about it... If rotation is believed to be the engine of the power, the mentality of the swing is to begin rotating off the back leg with the spine as the axis. Won't the action of swinging your arm out from the axis actually slow the movement down from when it starts until the hit? I am not 100% sure on this, and would love to see real scientific data on it. If rotation were the ideal goal, I believe the swing would be more like a 360. People would do something like a figure skater spin, bringing it all 'in', then eject out of that?
Ummm... That's the whole idea- to create a lot of rotation. Bringing the disc into your belly/chest increases the spin, that's why you do that and then you eject it out.

 RoDeO 10-28-2020 11:14 AM

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 Originally Posted by seedlings (Post 3649435) From the full reach back 1) Shift weight/butt/hips linear toward target 2) Plant lead leg 3) Turn hips around plant Also note his comments about one leg drill in the video.
I see it more as
1. Keep weight back, butt pointing forwards/ hips facing more rearward
2. As the lead leg comes into plant the hips start rotating into brace, shoulders stay turned rearward
3. Brace, continue to rotate hips which rotate shoulders and bring disc into body
4. Accelerate rotation and eject disc.

 RowingBoats 10-28-2020 11:26 AM

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 Originally Posted by RoDeO (Post 3649506) Ummm... That's the whole idea- to create a lot of rotation. Bringing the disc into your belly/chest increases the spin, that's why you do that and then you eject it out.
I don't do that, at all. My swing is getting wider if anything.

 RoDeO 10-28-2020 11:34 AM

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 Originally Posted by RowingBoats (Post 3649523) I don't do that, at all. My swing is getting wider if anything.
By "wider" do you mean the disc is further away from your body when it's in the power pocket?

 SaROCaM 10-28-2020 11:36 AM

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 Originally Posted by RoDeO (Post 3649508) I see it more as 1. Keep weight back, butt pointing forwards/ hips facing more rearward 2. As the lead leg comes into plant the hips start rotating into brace, shoulders stay turned rearward 3. Brace, continue to rotate hips which rotate shoulders and bring disc into body 4. Accelerate rotation and eject disc.
Let's see a video.

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