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summit617 06-20-2017 11:45 AM

Are the zero hards any more stable than the mediums? out of the box my medium was the stability I was looking for, but got beat up in just a few days. I probably will end up with an opto, although I much prefer the baseline feel on throwing putters

armiller 06-20-2017 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Future_Primitive (Post 3168914)
Moonshine Pures!!! Thank you Lat64. :clap::clap:

Seriously. They look pretty. Do they fly just like Opto?

SD86 06-20-2017 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by summit617 (Post 3193130)
Are the zero hards any more stable than the mediums? out of the box my medium was the stability I was looking for, but got beat up in just a few days. I probably will end up with an opto, although I much prefer the baseline feel on throwing putters

My experience with my Wardens and Judges is that they start out about the same in Classic (hard) and Classic Blend (equivalent of Zero Hard and Zero Medium, respectively). The Mediums/Blends do beat in fast, as you said...

bhadella 06-20-2017 02:23 PM

Funny, I've never really had my Zero Mediums season in faster than I wanted. First one lasted almost 3 years till I pulled it out the bag (the bottom edge was gouged/bent enough I had trouble with releasing) and the second one has 2 years on it and is still my straight Pure. I do know guys that have flippy Soft Pures after a few months of use.

SD86 06-20-2017 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by bhadella (Post 3193212)
Funny, I've never really had my Zero Mediums season in faster than I wanted. First one lasted almost 3 years till I pulled it out the bag (the bottom edge was gouged/bent enough I had trouble with releasing) and the second one has 2 years on it and is still my straight Pure. I do know guys that have flippy Soft Pures after a few months of use.

I should clarify my above post that when I say a Medium/Blend beats in "fast", I mean it loses its fade pretty quickly and just flies straight. Doesn't become flippy/understable all that fast, though.

bhadella 06-20-2017 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by SD86 (Post 3193234)
I should clarify my above post that when I say a Medium/Blend beats in "fast", I mean it loses its fade pretty quickly and just flies straight. Doesn't become flippy/understable all that fast, though.

Now that is a statement I can get behind. And that's the reason I love that plastic, if I want a stable Pure I throw my Envy!

mark996 06-20-2017 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by armiller (Post 3193135)
Seriously. They look pretty. Do they fly just like Opto?

For me, yes. My Moonshine Pure has become my main upshot putter for just about any line that doesn't require the Harp or Spike.

TripleB 11-17-2017 09:44 AM

When using a Pure for putting purposes only, what plastic has everyone used and what is your favorite?

In looking at the information about them on a certain website it give the following numbers in terms of durability/softness/grip:
Zero MegaSoft 4/9/7
Zero Soft 4/8/9
Zero Medium 4/7/8
Zero Hard 3/4/7
Retro 4/6/7
Opto 8/4/4
Gold Line 7/4/5

Do these numbers seem about right to you?

I thought as the plastic got softer the durability would go down. I have used a Medium, wished it was a little more grippy, and it seemed get beat up pretty quickly. If the Soft would hold up just as well then I might as well be using it to get my extra grip.

Anyway, thanks for the info.

TripleB

Broken Shoulder 11-17-2017 09:52 AM

All baseline plastics are going to look beat up pretty quickly if you're putting with them. Scuffs, dings, etc. However, you could putt for years with a baseline putter and have no real noticeable change in flight characteristics when putting.
Your medium will likely get a bit grippier as you use it more. Additionally, every so often I give my putters a bath in soapy water and it removes some of the dirt and grime and restores some of that tack. Works quite well.
You may like soft, but I found that in warmer temps it was just too malleable.

PMantle 11-17-2017 09:57 AM

As mush as I love Pures, I just cannot putt with them. They are basically my shorter Buzzz/Truth/Core whatever.

bhadella 11-17-2017 10:02 AM

I'm a big fan of Zero Medium plastic. Doesn't get rock hard in the winter or too soft in the summer. Good grip that does get better in time. It does give the appearance of dinging early on but once the surface takes impacts (or is prestressed), it becomes tougher and more resilient.

TripleB 11-17-2017 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Broken Shoulder (Post 3244632)
Your medium will likely get a bit grippier as you use it more. Additionally, every so often I give my putters a bath in soapy water and it removes some of the dirt and grime and restores some of that tack. Works quite well.
You may like soft, but I found that in warmer temps it was just too malleable.

Thanks for the feedback on the baseline plastics and the tip on restoring them to their more grippy self!!!

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Originally Posted by PMantle (Post 3244633)
As mush as I love Pures, I just cannot putt with them. They are basically my shorter Buzzz/Truth/Core whatever.

That's the way I became with my Pure, but after looking at it side by side my Ringer and seeing they are almost identical as far as height is concerned, I'm thinking of giving my Zero Medium another shot.

I bought a Zero Medium for putting but found that I loved it a lot more off the tee and as an approach disc. I then ordered a Opto so that as I used it off the tee and as an approach disc it didn't get beat all to pieces. My absolute perfect approach disc...straight on a hyzer or an anhyzer and with the Opto plastic it stops pretty quickly.

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Originally Posted by bhadella (Post 3244634)
I'm a big fan of Zero Medium plastic. Doesn't get rock hard in the winter or too soft in the summer. Good grip that does get better in time. It does give the appearance of dinging early on but once the surface takes impacts (or is prestressed), it becomes tougher and more resilient.

Thanks for that insight on the Medium Plastic. Lost my first one (straight as an arrow 250 foot grip lock right into a large creek) and haven't had my second long enough to have the grip get any more tacky yet.

TripleB

Broken Shoulder 11-17-2017 01:35 PM

Seriously, wash it with soap and water now. Sometimes they have residue on them when new.

slowplastic 11-17-2017 02:03 PM

Yeah try the baseline ones for putting. I agree with everyone on that, and that the Trilogy baseline can look dinged up immediately on putts. But it's also way more cosmetic than it seems. After a few weeks it will be consistently dinged up and look ok, but after the first few putting sessions they look surprisingly beat or junky. It doesn't matter at all though.

SD86 11-17-2017 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by TripleB (Post 3244630)
When using a Pure for putting purposes only, what plastic has everyone used and what is your favorite?

In looking at the information about them on a certain website it give the following numbers in terms of durability/softness/grip:
Zero MegaSoft 4/9/7
Zero Soft 4/8/9
Zero Medium 4/7/8
Zero Hard 3/4/7
Retro 4/6/7
Opto 8/4/4
Gold Line 7/4/5

Do these numbers seem about right to you?

I thought as the plastic got softer the durability would go down. I have used a Medium, wished it was a little more grippy, and it seemed get beat up pretty quickly. If the Soft would hold up just as well then I might as well be using it to get my extra grip.

Anyway, thanks for the info.

TripleB

I don't think the Medium and Soft are more durable than the Hard, but it's picking nits when it comes to numbers like those.

I have a couple of Zero Hard Pures, and use them when I rock an all-Lat64 bag for a fun "change of pace" round. The Pure is a good putter for me, though I am now used to the Warden and Deputy as my main putters.

Edited to add: agree about washing them to get any residue off for better grippiness.

TripleB 12-09-2017 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by SD86 (Post 3244751)
I don't think the Medium and Soft are more durable than the Hard, but it's picking nits when it comes to numbers like those.

Thanks for that information!

There's about 5 inches of snow on the ground right now, and still snowing, so I've been having a "putt off" with all my putters inside today from about 15 to 30 feet.

The Pure putters have been the clear winner...currently loving both the Pure Opto (174g) and the Pure Zero Hard (173g). The Opto feels better in the hand, and I like the fact that it shows absolutely no wear (of course, since I'll only be putting with it that shouldn't be a big deal), while the Zero Hard seems to come out of the hand just a bit smoother (sometimes too smooth), but both have been almost near perfect from inside 30'. Just need to make a decision, pick up a couple more, and get to practicing!!!

TripleB

elmexdela 12-09-2017 12:06 PM

5 inches in NC? Damm

Pures are fast but great. Someone (I think koda) dubbed them as mini buzzes and its seemingly true.

tbird888 12-09-2017 04:12 PM

I believe that was booter.

SD86 12-09-2017 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by TripleB (Post 3250892)
Thanks for that information!

There's about 5 inches of snow on the ground right now, and still snowing, so I've been having a "putt off" with all my putters inside today from about 15 to 30 feet.

The Pure putters have been the clear winner...currently loving both the Pure Opto (174g) and the Pure Zero Hard (173g). The Opto feels better in the hand, and I like the fact that it shows absolutely no wear (of course, since I'll only be putting with it that shouldn't be a big deal), while the Zero Hard seems to come out of the hand just a bit smoother (sometimes too smooth), but both have been almost near perfect from inside 30'. Just need to make a decision, pick up a couple more, and get to practicing!!!

TripleB

Yep, we got our once-a-year snowblast here in the ATL, too. I'm just catching up on my writing, and waiting for FedEx to bring me my disc orders. Pures are great putters if one practices with then and gets used to them.

Streets 12-10-2017 06:51 PM

Can't go wrong with the Pure. It's like the one good disc Trilogy makes.

@iDiscGolf 12-10-2017 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Streets (Post 3251208)
Can't go wrong with the Pure. It's like the one good disc Trilogy makes.

The "one" good disc trilogy makes. You're such a hater.. lol

You never fail to find some angle to bitch about something. Happy holidays ;)

Streets 12-10-2017 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by @iDiscGolf (Post 3251232)
The "one" good disc trilogy makes. You're such a hater.. lol

You never fail to find some angle to bitch about something. Happy holidays ;)

Bah humbug! :D

Putt for D'oh 11-26-2019 02:28 AM

I see the Pure get mentioned here and there in putter threads, stunned it has been 2 years since the thread had a post... but maybe it was just Streets successfully killing something trilogy?

anyway, I thought I saw a few posts and discussions in some thread a few weeks or month ago about trilogy plastic and how it holds up but can't for the life of me find the posts. But something along the lines of Gold Line will hold its stability longer than Opto.
Most of my trilogy mids/drivers (which I don't throw drivers anymore) are in opto plastic, some for field work in base plastics but those never clicked with me)
I throw Harps in VIP, BT Soft and BT Hard. I've bounced around with the understable slot some but the Pure is 100% the disc i keep coming back to. I have zero hard, and mostly like it but they get beat up so damn fast, lots of rocks and trees on my course and i'm throwing not putting. We have a new course in the works, short and technical with lots of trees and need to finish right and without a forehand the Pure is getting a LOT of work. Now it is getting way to beat up way to fast.

SO... question is on Gold line or Opto?
I know the conventional thoughts are to compare Opto to Champ and Gold line to Star but I've kinda felt like grip/feel and durability don't fall into those comparisons and was wondering if anyone had more experience with the gold line VS Opto trilogy plastics to say which keeps its stability longer.

jjmiller 11-26-2019 02:34 AM

I think the Opto Pure is the standard for most. Haven’t ever read much about GL Pures.

Casey 1988 11-26-2019 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Putt for D'oh (Post 3523877)
I see the Pure get mentioned here and there in putter threads, stunned it has been 2 years since the thread had a post... but maybe it was just Streets successfully killing something trilogy?

anyway, I thought I saw a few posts and discussions in some thread a few weeks or month ago about trilogy plastic and how it holds up but can't for the life of me find the posts. But something along the lines of Gold Line will hold its stability longer than Opto.
Most of my trilogy mids/drivers (which I don't throw drivers anymore) are in opto plastic, some for field work in base plastics but those never clicked with me)
I throw Harps in VIP, BT Soft and BT Hard. I've bounced around with the understable slot some but the Pure is 100% the disc i keep coming back to. I have zero hard, and mostly like it but they get beat up so damn fast, lots of rocks and trees on my course and i'm throwing not putting. We have a new course in the works, short and technical with lots of trees and need to finish right and without a forehand the Pure is getting a LOT of work. Now it is getting way to beat up way to fast.

SO... question is on Gold line or Opto?
I know the conventional thoughts are to compare Opto to Champ and Gold line to Star but I've kinda felt like grip/feel and durability don't fall into those comparisons and was wondering if anyone had more experience with the gold line VS Opto trilogy plastics to say which keeps its stability longer.

This is why for the most part if I threw the Swedish manufactured Trilogy I would throw mostly Latitude 64 and Westside Discs then Dynamic Discs as it almost seems that Dynamic Discs is getting the lesser plastic of the three brands. It is sad because Dynamic Disc has some good molds just not great molds but the plastic is lesser. Even the Hard baseline plastics are not as durable as Latitude 64 and Westside Disc plastic. The true baseline seems to be the same all around for these companies, that is something that is about the same if they have a modern DX/Pro D type of plastic in the brands lineup. Also I can't Stand the Disc Golf is life marketing of Dynamic Discs. Disc Golf is not life unless you are a Pro/other person who is making a full on living on Disc Golf in some way or you almost died due to drug abuse/headed in that path very soon or were thinking about killing yourself but Disc Golf stopped you from doing either.

Streets 11-26-2019 07:32 AM

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lines 11-26-2019 08:04 AM

I miss TripleB. I wonder if he finally bought all of the discs...

Streets 11-26-2019 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Putt for D'oh (Post 3523877)
I see the Pure get mentioned here and there in putter threads, stunned it has been 2 years since the thread had a post... but maybe it was just Streets successfully killing something trilogy?

I hope not...the Pure is one of the handful of Lat64s discs I really enjoy throwing. It probably has more to do with Trilogy pumping discs out left and right that the older molds get less attention versus the newest must-have hyped putter.

Future_Primitive 11-26-2019 09:20 AM

Sounds like a good time to thank Kristin Tattar for the new Moonshine Glow Zero Medium Pures hitting the market. :thmbup::clap:

Not really a fan of Gold Line myself, prefer the Zero Med and Hard putters for better grip. Hards off the tee and Mediums for putting seems to work for me.

PMantle 11-26-2019 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Putt for D'oh (Post 3523877)

SO... question is on Gold line or Opto?
I know the conventional thoughts are to compare Opto to Champ and Gold line to Star but I've kinda felt like grip/feel and durability don't fall into those comparisons and was wondering if anyone had more experience with the gold line VS Opto trilogy plastics to say which keeps its stability longer.

I have thrown both. I always have a Pure in the bag for approaches. I am throwing Gold Line now, but could go back to Opto in a heartbeat. For me, they fly exactly the same, and I have not noticed wear on either one.

GoobyPls 11-26-2019 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Streets (Post 3523904)
I hope not...the Pure is one of the handful of Lat64s discs I really enjoy throwing. It probably has more to do with Trilogy pumping discs out left and right that the older molds get less attention versus the newest must-have hyped putter.

Even you have to admit the River and Harp are good molds.

Tis the season you know

tbird888 11-26-2019 12:13 PM

The River is super nose angle sensitive, and the Leopard has been doing what the River does for years (and doing it better). Not that good of a mold.

It may be the season, but there's no need to lie.

aphilso1 11-26-2019 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Future_Primitive (Post 3523908)
Sounds like a good time to thank Kristin Tattar for the new Moonshine Glow Zero Medium Pures hitting the market. :thmbup::clap:

Not really a fan of Gold Line myself, prefer the Zero Med and Hard putters for better grip. Hards off the tee and Mediums for putting seems to work for me.

Interesting. Do you find BT Hard plastic holds up longer for throwing than Medium and Soft? I'm going to experiment with Judges this winter and was planning to grab one Fuzion or Lucid for driving, but maybe I'll just throw a Classic instead if it has a decent lifespan.

Future_Primitive 11-26-2019 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by aphilso1 (Post 3524013)
Interesting. Do you find BT Hard plastic holds up longer for throwing than Medium and Soft? I'm going to experiment with Judges this winter and was planning to grab one Fuzion or Lucid for driving, but maybe I'll just throw a Classic instead if it has a decent lifespan.

Apologies not familiar with "BT" term, the Pure is the only non Discraft/Innova disc in my bag.

I do think the Zero Hard plastic holds up nicely for driving with them and have not had one taco or crack on me yet. The Zero Hard seems to hold up nicely even after a few years of throwing it. Being in this Michigan weather I found the Zero plastic better for grip in wet and snowy conditions vs Gold Line/Opto, at least for me. I even like putting with the Zero Hard Pures in the summer when its hot out.

For me, I found the Zero Soft was simply too soft. After a few uses of putting and short upshots the flightplate would warp. Pet peeve not liking warped flight plates so I switched to Zero Mediums and they hold up better but can also warp a little. Usually carry three Pures for a round, two Hards for driving/upshots and one Medium mostly putting. I do believe the Hard versions holds up much better than the Soft/Med versions in Zero. Have a Zero Hard Pure still in the bag after 4 years, tend to swap out the Mediums more, almost yearly.

GoobyPls 11-26-2019 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by tbird888 (Post 3524010)
The River is super nose angle sensitive, and the Leopard has been doing what the River does for years (and doing it better). Not that good of a mold.

It may be the season, but there's no need to lie.

LOL OK.

JC17393 11-26-2019 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Future_Primitive (Post 3524093)
Apologies not familiar with "BT" term, the Pure is the only non Discraft/Innova disc in my bag.

BT = Zero = Classic

Just depends on which brand you're talking about (Westside, Lat64, DD) which term is appropriate but, as you can see, plenty of people use them interchangeably.

Putt for D'oh 11-26-2019 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Streets (Post 3523904)
I hope not...the Pure is one of the handful of Lat64s discs I really enjoy throwing. It probably has more to do with Trilogy pumping discs out left and right that the older molds get less attention versus the newest must-have hyped putter.

I think sometimes discs are like toothbrushes and shoes. Just gotta change the model for the sake of change because new sells better.

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Originally Posted by PMantle (Post 3523958)
I have thrown both. I always have a Pure in the bag for approaches. I am throwing Gold Line now, but could go back to Opto in a heartbeat. For me, they fly exactly the same, and I have not noticed wear on either one.

Opto is the plastic I prefer for what I do have, I'll probably stick with that. Its not more stability I want, its the durability and holding the point longer before getting too flippy.

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Originally Posted by Future_Primitive (Post 3524093)
Apologies not familiar with "BT" term, the Pure is the only non Discraft/Innova disc in my bag.

Pet peeve of mine with Trilogy. Same plastic gets totally unrelated and different names. BT Westside to Lat64 Zero... I think is Classic with DD. Where all the discs made by innova with the C line, S line etc... much better IMO
Anyway I have Harps in Soft and the dimpled and beat-up flight plate is kinda bonus. As an approach disc it sticks and sits really well. It is very slight taco-ing with the hard or medium pures but it affect the stability sooo much. They go from nicely US to unable to control for a drive. As an approach disc the Medium is a great plastic and I will stick with it as a companion to the soft Harp.

Driving. I think Opto it is.

Putt for D'oh 11-26-2019 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by JC17393 (Post 3524116)
BT = Zero = Classic

Just depends on which brand you're talking about (Westside, Lat64, DD) which term is appropriate but, as you can see, plenty of people use them interchangeably.

Got in there while I was typing.

Casey 1988 11-26-2019 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Putt for D'oh (Post 3524118)
I think sometimes discs are like toothbrushes and shoes. Just gotta change the model for the sake of change because new sells better.



Opto is the plastic I prefer for what I do have, I'll probably stick with that. Its not more stability I want, its the durability and holding the point longer before getting too flippy.



Pet peeve of mine with Trilogy. Same plastic gets totally unrelated and different names. BT Westside to Lat64 Zero... I think is Classic with DD. Where all the discs made by innova with the C line, S line etc... much better IMO
Anyway I have Harps in Soft and the dimpled and beat-up flight plate is kinda bonus. As an approach disc it sticks and sits really well. It is very slight taco-ing with the hard or medium pures but it affect the stability sooo much. They go from nicely US to unable to control for a drive. As an approach disc the Medium is a great plastic and I will stick with it as a companion to the soft Harp.

Driving. I think Opto it is.

Not 100% true with Innova, Hyzerbomb a mini brand that Innova makes the discs for have different names for the plastic then Innova, Millennium, Infinite Disc, and Discmania's Innova made discs.

aphilso1 11-26-2019 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by JC17393 (Post 3524116)
BT = Zero = Classic

Just depends on which brand you're talking about (Westside, Lat64, DD) which term is appropriate but, as you can see, plenty of people use them interchangeably.

Thanks for catching my error. I throw Westside a lot more than L64, so I forget the equivalent L64 plastic name. I definitely meant Zero Hard rather than BT Hard.


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