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BigFlickLuke 07-26-2020 07:08 PM

Really impressive showing for a guy who just started this season. His tee shots will only get more consistent.

I do think he played too few long holes in his ramp up to big tournaments. Most of his practice rounds were on shorter courses. He needs more reps on full sends.

BogeyNoMore 07-26-2020 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisWoj (Post 3611490)
Rooting for Zak Fortuna, on Brodie's card, to grab 1 more deuce here...

You ever played with him? He kinda hangs around the periphery of the Motor City Chain Gang, so our paths cross every once in a while. Good guy.

DiscFifty 07-26-2020 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ToddL (Post 3611555)
Comparing individuals to each other in golf is kind of weird. Sometimes you beat other people, sometimes they beat themselves.

Perhaps..but I expect a certain level of consistency with the elites, and typically their bad days are still pretty good. So yah...Brodie beating a recent world champion is a pretty big deal in my book.

Dr.Smooth 07-26-2020 10:28 PM

Brodie is far exceeding my expectations.

Give him a couple years. And this is why-the number of times he has thrown a disc may actual be way more than the average disc golf pro.

So, it would be interesting to see if he climbs the bell curve for the next couple of years or hits the top of it by the end of the season.

brutalbrutus 07-26-2020 10:28 PM

Barsby hasn't been right since early last year. Didn't he have a shoulder or elbow injury?...

biscoe 07-27-2020 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr.Smooth (Post 3611608)
Brodie is far exceeding my expectations.

Give him a couple years. And this is why-the number of times he has thrown a disc may actual be way more than the average disc golf pro.

So, it would be interesting to see if he climbs the bell curve for the next couple of years or hits the top of it by the end of the season.

He's already 32 with a zillion shots thrown over the years. If he is going to be an elite disc golfer I don't know how many years he has.

Danderlion 07-27-2020 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by scooby snack (Post 3611514)
Brodie finished ahead of Barsby and Arlinghaus

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Originally Posted by scooby snack (Post 3611562)
I'm comparing an individual who just started playing last year and competing this year, to three well known players who have been playing for years, and one of them is a world champ.

Brodie beat Arlinghaus, and Barsby, and placed one stroke behind Koling. That's pretty good for a guy new to disc golf and tournament play, IMO.

FWIW, Toboggan is a tough course.

Isn't Arlinghaus 16 years old? I know he is a good player, but strange comparison.

Jay Dub 07-27-2020 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Danderlion (Post 3611690)
Isn't Arlinghaus 16 years old? I know he is a good player, but strange comparison.

If he's the young man from the Cincy area then yes, about 16.

TheOtherBill 07-27-2020 11:00 AM

I think Brodie was smart to focus on some of the shorter technical (ok well the one) around his home when he started instead of just working on improving distance.

His background lends itself to a touch-shot for dropping in one of the big lids on someone in motion. He might of understood early that distance will come, but knowing how to get out of trouble will help save more strokes than just bombing drives.

Plus, working with Paul was sure to bring the distance anyway.

ChrisWoj 07-27-2020 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by biscoe (Post 3611684)
He's already 32 with a zillion shots thrown over the years. If he is going to be an elite disc golfer I don't know how many years he has.

Considering lesser physical specimens.... he’s got a good decade.

TheOtherBill 07-27-2020 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by ChrisWoj (Post 3611728)
Considering lesser physical specimens.... he’s got a good decade.

It also seems the Masters events pay pretty well - JohnE tours full-time even though he will play in the accasional MPO division. Barry, Avery, Climo - like Brodie they have disc income outside of tournaments as well.

DiscFifty 07-27-2020 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by TheOtherBill (Post 3611733)
It also seems the Masters events pay pretty well - JohnE tours full-time even though he will play in the accasional MPO division. Barry, Avery, Climo - like Brodie they have disc income outside of tournaments as well.

JohnE made a grand total of...... $14k in 2019 from all pro earnings.

brutalbrutus 07-28-2020 09:04 PM



b9...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxV6Eor5V3E

Hunter and Mcbeth on the mic

brutalbrutus 08-02-2020 07:03 AM

After a meh first round(952), Brodie shot the hot round of the event(1015) at a ctier in Texas and almost came from behind for the win. Finished 2nd 2 shots back... No top players at the event but looked to be a solid local field.

https://www.pdga.com/tour/event/44654

WeatherWimp 08-02-2020 02:06 PM

I heard Brodie say he was getting ready for a tournament but wasn't sure what one was this week...a C-tier makes sense.

Interesting the guy that beat him is an amaeteur and finished 52nd at the DDO, rated 984. I wonder how people determine when to go pro or not. I'd think this guy would qualify.

brutalbrutus 08-02-2020 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by WeatherWimp (Post 3614143)
I heard Brodie say he was getting ready for a tournament but wasn't sure what one was this week...a C-tier makes sense.

Interesting the guy that beat him is an amaeteur and finished 52nd at the DDO, rated 984. I wonder how people determine when to go pro or not. I'd think this guy would qualify.

Some want to give AM Worlds or USADGC a couple tries before they jump into pro.

brutalbrutus 08-05-2020 11:30 AM


runningoz 08-05-2020 01:52 PM

Might be a rough weekend if he is not hitting his lines.

araytx 08-05-2020 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by runningoz (Post 3615183)
Might be a rough weekend if he is not hitting his lines.

That's true of everybody at Idlewild

araytx 08-05-2020 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by brutalbrutus (Post 3614145)
Some want to give AM Worlds or USADGC a couple tries before they jump into pro.

That is exactly it. And they can still get merch at C-tiers.

runningoz 08-05-2020 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by araytx (Post 3615194)
That's true of everybody at Idlewild

Well aware, but a more experienced pro might be able to stop the bleeding a little easier than him.

araytx 08-05-2020 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by runningoz (Post 3615208)
Well aware, but a more experienced pro might be able to stop the bleeding a little easier than him.

Maybe. Maybe not. We'll see. Brodie's no different than anyone else when scrambling. He has all the GOOT shots due to his Ultimate background.

mizunodave 08-05-2020 11:13 PM

Brodie is going to get wrecked at Idlewild. I don't believe he has the course management experience to handle this track.

Bigtex 08-05-2020 11:18 PM

Good chance brodie shoots high 800 to low 900 rounds this weekend.

fish58320 08-05-2020 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Bigtex (Post 3615337)
Good chance brodie shoots high 800 to low 900 rounds this weekend.

I'll put up 3 of my tour series discs that he shoots above 925 ("low 900s") each round to all comers. Anyone interested in this action, and only this action, please post below with what you're putting up as your ante. I will answer no further questions about my predictions.

robdeforge 08-06-2020 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by fish58320 (Post 3615340)
I'll put up 3 of my tour series discs that he shoots above 925 ("low 900s") each round to all comers. Anyone interested in this action, and only this action, please post below with what you're putting up as your ante. I will answer no further questions about my predictions.

I'd take that action except I think you're right... my guesses:

942, 979, 964

brutalbrutus 08-06-2020 09:36 AM

It took more or less a +16 84 to shoot around 900 last year...

The weather will be good with light to moderate winds all weekend, he would have to blow up pretty hard to shoot that high.

Hampstead 08-06-2020 10:17 AM

I think he'll break 920, but won't be competitively relevant.

brutalbrutus 08-06-2020 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Hampstead (Post 3615423)
I think he'll break 920, but won't be competitively relevant.

I doubt he'll be competitively relevant on tour for another year or two, if he really ever is on a consistent basis. He's already 32 and has a bad knee. He has a lot of shot shaping and disc manipulation to learn on top of just getting the consistent release you need to play with the big dogs on a weekly basis. He does seem to have a lot of drive to get there though, so who knows how far he can take it. He's sure come a lot farther, faster than I thought he would.

I just think its interesting watching a guy with his potential learn the game in front of all of us.

biscoe 08-06-2020 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by fish58320 (Post 3615340)
I'll put up 3 of my tour series discs that he shoots above 925 ("low 900s") each round to all comers. Anyone interested in this action, and only this action, please post below with what you're putting up as your ante. I will answer no further questions about my predictions.

Need to lay odds if you want anyone to take this sucker bet. It is really hard to shoot outlier round ratings (either high or low) on big tough courses...

armiller 08-06-2020 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by biscoe (Post 3615431)
Need to lay odds if you want anyone to take this sucker bet. It is really hard to shoot outlier round ratings (either high or low) on big tough courses...

Fish's point, I think, is that it's easy to make statements about how bad he'll do. But does anyone really want to put some money where the mouth is?

ChrisWoj 08-06-2020 11:24 AM

Brodie was in town well ahead of time, and shooting a LOT of practice shots on the course. The guy is taking this seriously. We're talking about a guy who is a demonstrated 960+ player who is coming to Idlewild and giving it its appropriate due with enough practice shots. He threw some really egregious shots in the video showing him playing many of the holes for the first time, but the feel is the important thing and if he's taking time to get the feel for these shots off the tee he's going to be fine.

As for scrambling: as mentioned he has a feel for a lot of goofy shots. He should be able to work his way back onto the fairway. He has a golfer's mentality on the course, he takes his medicine and moves forward.

I don't think he's gonna shoot many 800s rounds in his disc golf career. At least not at these big events. Considering that Paul has repeatedly complimented Brodie's work ethic I doubt he's blowing smoke up our asses regarding how many times he's coming back to these holes.

dorseymatt 08-06-2020 11:32 AM

I'd bet on him having multiple 1000+ rounds before multiple rounds in the low 900s.

brutalbrutus 08-06-2020 11:56 AM

I wouldn't say its impossible. those last 5 or 6 holes can rack up a lot of extra strokes on you if you let up on your concentration. Its not hard at all to go 6 8 7 7 to finish the last four. I had a two day event I played a few years ago where we played two rounds of 24 on Saturday at Lincoln Ridge and then 24 longs at Idle on Sunday. After 67 holes, I was 1 shot behind the leader standing on the tee of what is now no15 for the Idle Open(The uphill hole right before the monster 1000fter). Shanked my teeshot into a tree and went deep right. Took me 4 more shots just to get to the top of the hill and then I shanked another and wound up taking a 10 on that hole... butchered the monster, went OB twice on the creek hole. Actually birdied old 17(which isn't played for the Idle Open) but then took a 7 I think on the finishing hole and wound up not even cashing...

ru4por 08-06-2020 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by armiller (Post 3615453)
Fish's point, I think, is that it's easy to make statements about how bad he'll do. But does anyone really want to put some money where the mouth is?

Sure....Brodie will not finish in the top three.

armiller 08-06-2020 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ru4por (Post 3615487)
Sure....Brodie will not finish in the top three.

Bold indeed. Looking at the field, I'd say top ten is almost as safe a bet.

The point is, no one expects Brodie to win this thing. But I suspect Brodie would be disappointed with three rounds averaging 960. As others have said, he's working hard and understands his potential as well as anyone. He may "bomb" relative to his expectations or his potential, but to expect him to bomb with 910 or 875 rated rounds is a bit ignorant methinks.

fish58320 08-06-2020 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by biscoe (Post 3615431)
Need to lay odds if you want anyone to take this sucker bet. It is really hard to shoot outlier round ratings (either high or low) on big tough courses...

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Originally Posted by armiller (Post 3615453)
Fish's point, I think, is that it's easy to make statements about how bad he'll do. But does anyone really want to put some money where the mouth is?

See, I know that. Strokes aren’t worth anything for ratings purposes when par is 67 and there’s plenty of OB and other danger. Saw a post that posited high 800s/low 900s, verified that it would take some special effort for a rapidly-improving 970 player to get there, and cast my line. If y’all would keep your mouths shut maybe I could win some new plastic.

araytx 08-06-2020 10:36 PM

I bet he averages between 960-980 for the three rounds. That's his rating, 972.

armiller 08-06-2020 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by fish58320 (Post 3615811)
See, I know that. Strokes aren’t worth anything for ratings purposes when par is 67 and there’s plenty of OB and other danger. Saw a post that posited high 800s/low 900s, verified that it would take some special effort for a rapidly-improving 970 player to get there, and cast my line. If y’all would keep your mouths shut maybe I could win some new plastic.

But that's me, standing up for and trying to help inform the uninformed. My bad on the plastic. I figured you have enough!

Jugular 08-07-2020 02:57 AM

I reckon he will average 990.


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