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uncle pennybags 02-18-2021 05:30 AM

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Originally Posted by dehaas (Post 3691269)
Yeah, the ďspiritĒ is an ultimate thing.

I believe at larger ultimate tournaments itís fairly common for a spirit award to be given out? Somebody more into the ultimate scene could probably elaborate.

Couple years ago when DGPT was first starting out I vaguely remember Steve Dodge painting a picture of the events having a festival type vibe to them, and want to think there was mention of a spirit award in there too.

The Vibram Birdie Bash, which was also a Steve Dodge thing, had a spirt award too.

robdeforge 02-18-2021 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by thecandydan (Post 3691319)
Hadn't been brought up, so below is straight from the pdga Competition Manual. The idea of "not bringing spirit into disc golf" is nonsense. I don't know if that's what he really said or meant but if so it's nonsense considering we play an unofficiated game.

this is a good reminder for me to be more explicit with my posts and actually say what I mean instead of leaving it up for people to infer. because this is what I was definitely getting at and was thinking "... why'd you post this when I already basically did?" only to look back and realize I did nothing even close to that. d'oh!

somebody recently learned about marksmen baskets:
Should the size of the baskets change?

ChrisWoj 02-18-2021 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Tomphoolery (Post 3691282)
Ah, never played organized ultimate (some pickup games in HS and college).

So, because the idea of "spirit" is so sacred to Ultimate it can't be associated with disc golf?

I'm legit trying to understand what he meant, but that very well could be a futile exercise. Oh well, Brodie gonna Brodie.

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Originally Posted by Tomphoolery (Post 3691293)
Right, 100% get that and agree with it.

Just trying to suss out why Brodie doesn't want it brought into disc golf... But I'm done putting any mental energy towards the subject for now.

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Originally Posted by thecandydan (Post 3691319)
Hadn't been brought up, so below is straight from the pdga Competition Manual. The idea of "not bringing spirit into disc golf" is nonsense. I don't know if that's what he really said or meant but if so it's nonsense considering we play an unofficiated game.

The Spirit of the Game

Disc golf is typically played without the supervision of a referee or umpire. The game relies on the player to show sportsmanship, integrity, consideration for other players, and to abide by the Rules of Play. All players should conduct themselves in a disciplined manner, demonstrating courtesy and sportsmanship at all times, irrespective of how competitive they may be. Make the call. Accept the call. Itís not personal; itís the rules. That is the spirit of the game of disc golf.

Think that what TheCandyDan is getting at is what Brodie was referring to. There are a lot of ultimate players who are not fans of the unofficiated status of many of the sport's most important competitions. That was one of the big things about Major League Ultimate and the American Ultimate Disc League - that they incorporated officials, and over time have tried to move to improve the systems (for example: the AUDL moving from independent local officials toward centralized training and development of a core group of officials).

I'm guessing more than anything Brodie is referring to the idea that disc golf needs to move away from "spirit of the game" style self-officiating.

I could be wrong though - its entirely possible he's more against the more general idea of the "spirit" awards and the focus on fun over/on par with competition, instead choosing to push for a more personal belief in the idea that competition-itself-is-the-fun and that that should be the focus of the pro tour?

Timthenchant3r 02-18-2021 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Tomphoolery (Post 3691233)
Lol, I like Brodie, but I consider disc golf to be a spiritual activity for me. If it isn't to Brodie, that's fine, but he can't tell me it isn't.

Watching a frisbee fly in the air has me feeling closer to God than any church ever did.

EDIT: Unless I'm misunderstanding what he means by "please don't bring 'spirit' into disc golf". At all the pep rallies in school they told us to have "school spirit" and support our team. We shouldn't have that kind of energy in disc golf?

Regardless of what he meant it was a boneheaded comment.

Were you the kind of person that enjoyed pep rallies? You and I must have fundamentally different understandings of the universe. They were nightmares.

Superbford 02-18-2021 10:28 AM

This is one of the things that keeps the internet fun and entertaining...

No one is exactly sure what the angle of spirit is for Brodie, but we might as well all try and be experts on it!

Good news is the season is just around the corner. Can't wait to see some tournament results and footage!

Ryan P. 02-18-2021 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by ChrisWoj (Post 3691435)
Think that what TheCandyDan is getting at is what Brodie was referring to. There are a lot of ultimate players who are not fans of the unofficiated status of many of the sport's most important competitions. That was one of the big things about Major League Ultimate and the American Ultimate Disc League - that they incorporated officials, and over time have tried to move to improve the systems (for example: the AUDL moving from independent local officials toward centralized training and development of a core group of officials).

I'm guessing more than anything Brodie is referring to the idea that disc golf needs to move away from "spirit of the game" style self-officiating.

I could be wrong though - its entirely possible he's more against the more general idea of the "spirit" awards and the focus on fun over/on par with competition, instead choosing to push for a more personal belief in the idea that competition-itself-is-the-fun and that that should be the focus of the pro tour?

Yes, totally agree. Brodie was more making a light-hearted comment about the silliness of Ultimate that is the "spirit of the game." That rule is well-intentioned but doesn't account for the fact that there are (insert your favorite derogatory term here) in every sport, including ultimate, who will take advantage of the rules at any cost. I did that for a while, realized how ridiculous it was, and stopped.

It's ironic how all the people on here are hating on Brodie for making a light-hearted comment, but not long ago people in this thread were telling Brodie to not take things too seriously. Dude can't get a break.

ChrisWoj 02-18-2021 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Ryan P. (Post 3691444)
Yes, totally agree. Brodie was more making a light-hearted comment about the silliness of Ultimate that is the "spirit of the game." That rule is well-intentioned but doesn't account for the fact that there are (insert your favorite derogatory term here) in every sport, including ultimate, who will take advantage of the rules at any cost. I did that for a while, realized how ridiculous it was, and stopped.

It's ironic how all the people on here are hating on Brodie for making a light-hearted comment, but not long ago people in this thread were telling Brodie to not take things too seriously. Dude can't get a break.

The coach/captain of the team the last year I played ultimate played the game like James Harden plays basketball. If the stall count was running out on him he'd intentionally rip a throw so that his arm would go through the guy marking him, call a foul, and reset the count. And he insisted on the rest of the team playing that way as well. I'd rather chase someone that's 6'3 around the field than mark a handler who does that all game long.

That said - I don't know if I'd totally call Brodie's comment lighthearted. It sounds like he legit has problems with spirit-of-the-game and is looking to avoid disc golf going/staying in that direction. I'm sure it wasn't the most serious thing he'd said all day, and it was in a casual tone, but it was a clear message about where he wants the game to go.

autocrosscrx 02-18-2021 10:51 AM

Off topic, lol, Brodie seems to be throwing the disc better. I'm eager to see how that translates at some of these events.

biscoe 02-18-2021 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by ChrisWoj (Post 3691451)
It sounds like he legit has problems with spirit-of-the-game and is looking to avoid disc golf going/staying in that direction. I'm sure it wasn't the most serious thing he'd said all day, and it was in a casual tone, but it was a clear message about where he wants the game to go.

From talking to people who played ultimate against him I have gotten the distinct impression that he and his teams tended to not be the pinnacles of sportsmanship.

ru4por 02-18-2021 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by biscoe (Post 3691461)
From talking to people who played ultimate against him I have gotten the distinct impression that he and his teams tended to not be the pinnacles of sportsmanship.

I play with a golfer that was a player and coach of ultimate on top level teams against Brodie. He relayed a similar sentiment. And he impressed it was a team thing, not just a Brodie thing.

Ryan P. 02-18-2021 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by ChrisWoj (Post 3691451)
The coach/captain of the team the last year I played ultimate played the game like James Harden plays basketball. If the stall count was running out on him he'd intentionally rip a throw so that his arm would go through the guy marking him, call a foul, and reset the count. And he insisted on the rest of the team playing that way as well. I'd rather chase someone that's 6'3 around the field than mark a handler who does that all game long.

That said - I don't know if I'd totally call Brodie's comment lighthearted. It sounds like he legit has problems with spirit-of-the-game and is looking to avoid disc golf going/staying in that direction. I'm sure it wasn't the most serious thing he'd said all day, and it was in a casual tone, but it was a clear message about where he wants the game to go.

Yeah I get that there is some kind of truth behind most jokes/lighthearted comments. But from what I've seen, he wasn't jumping in and making an argument.

On another note, his disagreement with the "spirit of the game" seems to indicate that he knows his teams pushed the rules. Am I reading the situation wrong? Seems like either he realized it then but his team kept exploiting a loophole while he was trying to close it, or he realized it after he stopped and wants to get rid of it.

What I'm trying to say is I don't think we should be as critical of people. I've seen time and time again on here how people say things based on untrue assumptions, and they've been wrong. I'm not for or against Brodie; I simply want to give him a fair shot. In general, if you're being critical of someone, be critical of yourself first. (I'm not pointing the finger at someone in particular, I'm pointing it at everyone, including me).

ChrisWoj 02-18-2021 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Ryan P. (Post 3691472)
In general, if you're being critical of someone, be critical of yourself first. (I'm not pointing the finger at someone in particular, I'm pointing it at everyone, including me).

Cool. But this doesn't necessarily state that you can't be critical of someone. In general - I don't necessarily think Brodie's ideas are always bad. They're just poorly thought out. He doesn't do the best job thinking through what he says or how he presents things.

DiscFifty 02-18-2021 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by autocrosscrx (Post 3691452)
Off topic, lol, Brodie seems to be throwing the disc better. I'm eager to see how that translates at some of these events.

His form off the tee still looks a bit muscled, not fluid, but the dude's short game is 100% on point. If he can get decent drives off the tee I think he could break the top 20 in some DGPT events.

Getty 02-18-2021 11:52 AM

Straight from the USA Ultimate website:

"A truly unique and defining element of ultimate, Spirit of the Game places the responsibility of fair play solely on the athletes themselves by requiring each player to know the rules and make their own calls, without the help of a neutral official. These underlying principles reinforce mutual respect and trust between opponents; communication and conflict resolution skills; and self confidence Ė both on and off the field of play."

I played against those Florida dudes for many years and caught some of the shenanigans from the Brodie teams at the end of my career. That SoG thing went right out the window when we were between the lines. There seemed to be little intent to follow the rules, much less upholding the SoG, when we played them in games without Observers. It was barely better even when the Observers were on the field, but the egregious calls would get overturned. The catalyst of the antagonistic BS and the absolutely horrible calls seemed to be emanating from one particular member of the team, and I'll leave it at that. Dude could straight-out ball, that's for sure.

Hampstead 02-18-2021 11:53 AM

Get Freaky Zones are my GameStop.


Hold the line!

Tomphoolery 02-18-2021 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Timthenchant3r (Post 3691441)
Were you the kind of person that enjoyed pep rallies? You and I must have fundamentally different understandings of the universe. They were nightmares.

Lol, no dude, I didn't. I never said I did. Just bringing up a different definition of 'spirit'....

DatRedDude 02-18-2021 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Timthenchant3r (Post 3691441)
Were you the kind of person that enjoyed pep rallies? You and I must have fundamentally different understandings of the universe. They were nightmares.

per rally's were the best, anything that got me out of class outside of being disciplined, i was a fan of.

Ryan P. 02-18-2021 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisWoj (Post 3691473)
Cool. But this doesn't necessarily state that you can't be critical of someone. In general - I don't necessarily think Brodie's ideas are always bad. They're just poorly thought out. He doesn't do the best job thinking through what he says or how he presents things.

From my experience, most people don't. Isn't that what social media is for, so people can publicly show their stupidity?

ChrisWoj 02-18-2021 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryan P. (Post 3691550)
From my experience, most people don't. Isn't that what social media is for, so people can publicly show their stupidity?

In this particular case - Brodie has chosen to earn his livelihood living a very public life. He is selling his thought processes, his ideas, etc. for public consumption. I agree - most people don't through their ideas. And so Brodie, through his choice of livelihood, provides a fine example for us to consume and critique.

Jimb 02-18-2021 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisWoj (Post 3691553)
I agree - most people don't through their ideas.

:doh::D:p
I'm assuming that the word wasn't omitted intentionally.

ChrisWoj 02-18-2021 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimb (Post 3691569)
:doh::D:p
I'm assuming that the word wasn't omitted intentionally.

Myself included. :D

Superbford 02-18-2021 08:56 PM

Watching some of the videos today with Brodie, Ezra, Tanner and a few others.... Brodie's form on backhand and forehand look much better.

His short game is his biggest strength overall.

He is still going to be inconsistent.

Those other guys seem to like him and he likes them....

Ahildy13 02-19-2021 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Superbford (Post 3691633)
Those other guys seem to like him and he likes them....

Pro tip: It's usually in your benefit to get along with the guy with the biggest bank account.

wolfhaley 02-21-2021 03:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Ahildy13 (Post 3691915)
Pro tip: It's usually in your benefit to get along with the guy with the biggest bank account.

And the most Youtube subs.

robdeforge 02-24-2021 08:36 AM

guess he blocked ricky and eric oakley as well, over them liking a pdga rodman instagram post
https://i.imgur.com/ygDENfp.png

davetherocketguy 02-24-2021 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by robdeforge (Post 3693095)
guess he blocked ricky and eric oakley as well, over them liking a pdga rodman instagram post
https://i.imgur.com/ygDENfp.png

OH NO



anyway

sandelius 02-24-2021 10:10 AM

Haha pinned tweet. It seems like a big deal for Castro.

Jay Dub 02-24-2021 10:15 AM

lol I'm sure this type of feud between the "pros" upset their fan boys.

robdeforge 02-24-2021 10:57 AM

I also think the whole "Innova charging non-Innova players $5k to film practice rounds" is interesting, and Brodie mentioned it specifically in his twitter thread. but maybe it's better discussed in a different thread cause it has a lot more implications than just for Brodie (Hannah mcbeth also tweeted about it and other players have chimed in)

DanJon 02-24-2021 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by robdeforge (Post 3693095)
guess he blocked ricky and eric oakley as well, over them liking a pdga rodman instagram post
https://i.imgur.com/ygDENfp.png


Yeah, I'm sure Castro will confront Brodie at LVC.

What a bunch of puffed chest nonsense.

wims 02-24-2021 11:06 AM

I'd block Castro as well

Superbford 02-24-2021 11:21 AM

Brodie will be playing with Eagle McMahon, Colten Montgomery and Gregg Barsby to start in Vegas.

Jimb 02-24-2021 11:38 AM

So what's all the hubbub about? Who's butt hurt this time? :rolleyes:

ejvogie 02-24-2021 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimb (Post 3693145)
So what's all the hubbub about? Who's butt hurt this time? :rolleyes:

At this point, I think it'd be quicker to list who isn't :|

TheOtherBill 02-24-2021 12:10 PM

Is it just me or is it starting to seem like Innova is controlled by a couple of boomers that don't seem to get that things have changed and they need to adjust or might get left behind?

MikeK 02-24-2021 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by robdeforge (Post 3693131)
I also think the whole "Innova charging non-Innova players $5k to film practice rounds" is interesting, and Brodie mentioned it specifically in his twitter thread. but maybe it's better discussed in a different thread cause it has a lot more implications than just for Brodie (Hannah mcbeth also tweeted about it and other players have chimed in)


Trying to figure this out. Can anyone provide more details?

VictorB 02-24-2021 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeK (Post 3693165)
Trying to figure this out. Can anyone provide more details?

it's the same media fee they have been charging anyone who isn't contracted to cover the event that they have been putting up for several years now. It's not new, but it's a topic again because Hannah and Brodie were complaining about it.

_MTL_ 02-24-2021 01:28 PM

Glad this is happening.

The fact that these players think they can just film whatever they want and put it on their youtube channels or whatever is ridiculous.

This is one of those "you want bigger purses more attention and more money, well, here we are" type things.

TheOtherBill 02-24-2021 01:40 PM

So their thinking is more "Get off my lawn!" than
"A rising tide lifts all boats" huh?

Jay Dub 02-24-2021 01:46 PM

They are thinking "If you want to run with the big dogs you have to learn how to pee in the tall grass".

:popcorn:


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