I thikn the MD4 is supposed to be that. When they get it down. No idea if it will have a bead or not, but I have found that contrary to what I previously thought (that beaded discs will forever be uncomfortable for sidearm) a Justice for example that has a massive bead, is otherwise super flat and thus suited to my FH grip very well.

Can anyone compare the soft P-P1xs with X-P1xs? Flex and grip -wise? Are the softs all concave?

What I want to see next year from discmania is

1. D-line PDs
2. MD4s (hopefully they can all be flat tops so that I can have a production disc to replace my flat top gators)
3. FDx (basically a second run fd clone, or a mix between a 6th run and 2nd run)

I understand why new discs take a while to produce with all the testing, designing, and marketing, but with a mold that has been around as long as the PD, why hasnt it come in d-line yet?

Instead of trying to make md3s beefier why don't we just get a nice flattish JL gremlin? That would be beefier than most md3s.

Agree on King X post.

Except for the fact of repeating past runs, is well, ya know if it could be done so nicely their wouldn't be all these sought after runs.

yeah the fdx does sound so incredible..

Thats actually a great idea.

When I first started playing years ago I used the 1-2 combo of pro line spider and pro line gremlin. It worked pretty well. Unfortunately all of the more recent ones have been domey. Maybe use the flat top process or it seems like most JL tends to mold up on the flatter side anyway.

It's a great mid, just doesn't get the love it deserves.

The new luster MD3 is pretty money for a go to mid range and will likely kick my buzzzes out. Now we really just need an MD4 that is gator stable and I will be back to all DM besides my beloved destroyers!

^Ditto! (FAF 12x Firebird instead of Destroyers though)