as a huge supporter of discmania color me underwhelmed.

from what I've read we have the same situation as before, three stable mid range molds.

a saving grace at this point would be if the MD1 is still retooled to an understable flight and the offerings go:

MD-stable/neutral I suppose
MD1-understable
MD2-as is
MD3-as is
MD4-flat overstable hog.

GM-just hanging around by it's lonesome.

Yup. Have a Mako3 that was just a hair understable out of the box, and in the long run (like a year or more) it might flip like my fuse does, but for me I guess I'm gonna hold tight. :\

For me there's a difference in a disc that "holds a line" and one that will turn in the air and move right coming up off a slight hyzer release. If I have height - this P1x is awesome at "hold the line" and I can sweep a long gentle curve anny (Mako3 also). However, it's a thing of beauty in the woods with tighter ceiling to rip one lower and straight and know it will glide easy to the right until it lowers slowly to the ground.

Stupid Champ Panther 5/4/-2/1 bought 2 of them and they were both more stable than my Star Mako. :thmbdown:

Hmmmmm.... I wonder who would have done such a thing. Must have been a jerk!

:thmbup::thmbup::thmbup:

I haven't thrown the D-MD2 (shame on me I know), but I can say that brand new the MD I threw comes back to neutral whereas the Opto Fuse I owned never did...if it got to turning it never came out.

Well, hold on you're crossing some wires here, not meaning to be curt but just being blunt for clarity's sake -

- The new disc is the MD, not the MD1

- The MD was designed to be dead straight, which I think it accomplishes, and has a unique flight pattern that our other discs don't have.

- I also put details in my review for specific reasons. I threw a very stiff and domey one. By and large, those will be the most (relatively) OS in any particular mold. So take that into account. Ryan did also tell me that the ones I threw were not typical of the batch, so it's reasonable to expect less of a "comeback" to them.

- I didn't sand, modify, or alter the flashing because I wanted to see what they were like out of the box. Just FYI. I personally would rather have a straight disc brand new that goes into understable after a tree hit or two because otherwise discs tend to get squirrelly.

- I don't know who you heard about a MD1 re-tooling from to give you that impression, but either way I just wanted to make clear to anyone who reads that this is a separate disc :)

AH! I was assuming that the retool was the next release, thank you for the clarification.

Is there gonna be a stock p-line p1x release?

I get the beating the neutral disc in to US thing but it's gonna take a long time beat a champ disc in to the US disc I was looking for. It'll be much easier and probably better in the long run to just beat up a PMD3 in to that slot. Honestly if they just made a champ/star disc that was a bit US out of the box it would probably stay that way for a while. I've been throwing the same star mako for close to a year now and it still flies pretty much like it did the first time I threw it.

I have 3 of the stiffer blend P2's im looking to get rid of if you're interested.

please! I have 2 mini shield stamps but still being unthrown i think they're gonna stay that way. nice stiff plastic. love it. And hoping for S Line sometime.... please :) I love S Line

Petition to make 2nd run fD's a permanent thing.... I am bombing mine 400+ feet, on an absolute straight line. It will not turn over, and it finishes with just a hair of fade.

I honestly have to think about whether or not I should throw my 2nd run fD or my destroyer on the long holes...