I've posted a video of the new PDX on my instagram if you are interested in how it flies. I'd say it's a longer and more stable PD. Comfortable rim and mild dome. Flies far, but not as far as my PD2. If you have slower armspeed and the PD2 is too stable for you, the PDX should fit you well.

So the description that it is between the PD and PD2 is correct. Both stability and length wise!

Check out the video here:
https://www.instagram.com/p/_rS2JsyywX/

Restocked! Yes!

I've had a couple p-line DD for a while now but never really gave them a shot. I've got the PD CD DD2 and PD2 in multiple plastics but I decided to bag the DD today and I'm impressed. Reminds me of a good stable destroyer. Less than my pd2 but still **** stable. Flicks were on point. Think it's staying in the bag. P-line plastic is so ��

I hope the next mold released by discmania is distinctive.

Seems like the fd3\pdx are too close too the current pd\ dd offerings. I totally understand if their trying to rebrand the dd into the PD family, but that doesn't seem to be the case.

Idk.. As as discmaniac I've been underwhelmed as of late. None of the new releases have offered me anything I don't already have.

Fd3 just isn't a firebird replacement.

Pdx well I already have first run pds and dds...

I really think that the line up could have used a true firebird\max esq utility driver, gator\drone competitor, some sort of reboot that is the domey, funky feeling, goofy looking p3 waay before the pdx\fd3.

Seriously the p3 should be a flat top processed every time rebrand on the piggy\hhaawwgg. The current p3 seems is so passable compared to other options in the same slot.

It's a unique vision that Jussi has for this company, because the goal is to have 1 mold for each slot, not a lot of "beginner" stuff, and be ultra professional. I love it. However, it's a unique situation because you can't release 3-6 molds or more every calendar year.

You can go through an see the gaps between the entire market and the DiscMania line up are tons of understable discs, and crazy almost-unusable-overstable discs. Almost is the key word though.

If you were to compare the whole DM family to the rest of the world, there's no:
- Out of the Box Understable
- Crazy OS flat top putter
- " " Mid
- " " Fairway

So that's 4 molds left to release. Maybe a flippy putter, but not expected (yet) from the trajectory of the company.

You had the FD2 in response to the 2nd Run FD, you have the PDx in response to the FR PD (I think) - which i think is right thinking to try and make a "timeless" (in I believe Jussi's word) line of discs. 2nd run FDs won't be around forever (just sold a few myself, don't need um, waiting for the S CD2) so the attempt to make things like the PDx I think make sense.

If there's only a handful of slots left, what then do you do as a company? Install courses/"grow the sport" to sell more plastic i suppose. I think there's room to grow your market share/convert the competition throwers to your brand to sell more discs, rather than releasing a new dumb mold every month as well.

"None of the new releases have offered me anything I don't already have." That's kinda the point - This will really really be the point in a few years I expect, except there won't be any releases at all.



Let's assume in January DM releases a Zone, Comet, Gator, Firebird-X disc, and you buy a handful of each in your favorite plastic.

What could you possibly ask for after that?

I can only think of a beaded P2... I like,no, LOVE the feeling of a Yeti rim. I like a dead straight putter though so the P1x works great, although it has a low sloping shoulder to make it straight, and the bead far under the VTech bottom, it doesn't feel the same as other OS type beaded putters. A beaded XP2x I think would sell 1,000,000 units in year one and the KP2x about 3MM units, but that's just me.

The cd2 \ pdx\ fd3 straight up overlap with the cd\dd\and pd. The whole "one mold for each slot" has not been the going trend.

I will preface this long ramble with this; Discmania has been very clear they are not in the business of replicating molds from other companies and do extensive testing on molds they feel fit their lineup.

The FD3 for example, is a success in creating an overstable fairway driver (especially in S-line). If people want a firebird, then they should just throw a firebird. The FD3 was never created to be a "firebird killer", but was created to be a mold in it's own right. It's great OS disc that is extremely versatile and controllable. I found utilizing my angle of release has made this mold easier to throw/control when compared to my old firebirds.

If you read the description of the CD2, they recognize it may seem clsoe to the CD/PD, but flies more seasoned out of box. I found the CD2, when compared to both molds, easier to throw and work on various lines. In that aspect, I consider a separate mold and working well next to the CD and PD. When spend a year beating in a CD, when the CD2 can cover it out of box?

The only overlap thus far I can agree with is the PDX and PD. The site description reads "It has an extra click of speed compared to the original PD and the base of its design comes from the highly praised first run of the C-line PD" hence they knew they were creating an overlap, but saw a need for this. With this being released as a fundraiser only, it's an easier decision to make it overlap an existing mold. For those not so lucky to have first run PDs, this is a great and affordable option.

I posted this earlier in the thread, but DM is a company that will make a disc for each gap and then be done with new molds. In my opinion they are only missing four molds to the lineup: A very OS mid, an OS putter, an addition to the TD family and an extreme beef addition to the PD2 family. Now this doesn't mean they should clone a gator, jokeri, roadrunner and max, this means they have room to grow their own molds and create a disc that stands on it's own and isn't known as a "clone". Beyond that continuing to release their existing molds in new plastics, will create a nice balance and have slight differences across a mold. I for one cannot wait for the CD2 and FD2 in s-line (maybe 2016!?) and for molds to get the MF treatment eventually.

I think that your responses are well articulated and make good points. The memtion of other molds was for comparisons sake.

As for the fd3, I understand that it wasn't a fird bird killer. What I don't understand is why that mold warrented realease (along with the cd2\pdx) before the slots that need to be filled were. It sits right in the middle of when an fd2 is powered up or a pd is powered down? the whole notion of not having an oversatrated line up seems to be going to the wind.

Really and truly what does the fd3 over that multiple runs of pds or fd2s?

Again between the plastics available for both the td\cd (d\p\s\c) I don't see how the cd2 was a priority over other options. If the CD was phased out of this line up it would make sense. Why make both?

Now the fd2? Absolutely made sense. Designed after a popular varient run and is far enough removed from it's predaseccor that it doesn't overlap, but compliments.

I'm a discmaniac and I know full well that my opinions are just that, opinions. It just feels like last few releases are just filler and fluff compared to the flagship (p2/md3/fd/pd/dd/dd2) \ soon to be flagship molds (md4 etc.).

Thank you, we work hard on making our discs feel and fly the best possible way.

That's an interesting combo idea. We'll keep it in mind for future productions.

Also another interesting idea. We'll keep it in mind.

Thanks for the kind words! We really appreciate it. I'll make sure to pass it on to everyone.

Yes it is. Very straight flying driving and approach putter. We've even had a few people use it as a full time putting putter.

That's unfortunate that they never made it over there. We had tried to set aside a selection to make it to the Innova Store but there must have been a miscommunication. We sincerely apologize for them not being available.

We hear you :) as you can see we have been working on a few other things (PDx, McBeth P2, etc..) and one day we'll be able to offer every Discmaniac what they want.

We hear you :)

hmmm... where did you hear these rumors?

Thank you for the input, we are working on making some more vibrant colors. Actually the more brown colors have come in the past when we tried to use more vibrant colors. For some reason they like to blend a little more. But, that being said we are working on it!

No putting?

They are a thing. They also fly like the coveted 2nd run S-LINE DD. They get much further down the fairway and have a less pronounced fade.

Let us know what you think!

That's unfortunate. We tried to pick the brightest colors for fall and winter golf. We'll try harder next time.

C-LINE has always been very popular. Why is C-LINE your favorite plastic?

almost all S-LINE FDs are very close to the same flight. We had a handful of harder hybrid plastic S-FDs that were the most overstable for S-LINE.

That's very interesting, we have found that to be the opposite. We have had a few people call in and say they had the same problem but we found out they were comparing them to 2nd runs or their C-LINE counterpart.

This is more of what we find.

What have people thought about the PDx so far?

Hm, thank you very much for the insight.

The 2nd run C-FD is very very hard to recreate. But we'll keep trying to make the FD the best fairway driver in disc golf.

Which run are you using?

We have found that if you drop to 170-172 grams on the FD2 it flies even closer to the 2nd run C-LINE FD.

That would be a 3rd run.

What exactly are you looking for with the next run of the FD?

The Discmania GM has a bead.

There will be another run of the McBeth S-P2 :)

Thanks for the review!

yup!

Thanks for the review of the DD. We have had a lot of people take notice to the DD in the last year. It's a very dependable and controllable high speed driver.

We're working on a few things that should fill the void in your life.

Thank you for the insight. You have a pretty good understanding of what Discmania is about. However, we're pretty sure you guys will love what we're cooking up. Winter is all about setting up for the new year ;)

I'm thinking we don't see the overlap in the same way you do. The FD3 is considerably more overstable than all other FDs we have made and gives players more confidence in the wind but it's not unusable for a large majority of players. The FD3 is also slower and blunt so when we the PD will possibly turn and carry further the FD3 will slow down and fade out. The PDx is created as a fundraiser - It has a specific purpose to help those that are looking for the First Run C-LINE PD type of flight and help raise funds for the Disc Golf World Tour (don't be worried we'll have a few different releases this year :) ). The CD2 however was being worked on to possibly reinvent the CD because we see it is too close to the PD - however we felt the flight of the CD2 was so good that it needed to have it's own name. I hope this helps explain how we are viewing the lineup.