I putt with proto P2s normally, but the Rainmakers are in my little 8 disc bag that I use sometimes, like lunch breaks (like today). They are a bit less stable than P2, slightly shallower, but very close.

So, I’ve played two rounds with the Splice in my bag and the beef is real.

One round was a course I had never played and I found myself in a tricky spot a couple of times and the Splice saved me both times. One was a forehand that I had to force over on a hard anhyzer but needed it to fight out and skip. Worked like a charm. I also found myself pinched behind some trees and needed a low backhand with a big flare skip. Money.

I’ve also thrown it on a couple of thumbers and it works perfectly for me.

Hopefully when the day comes that I lose it replacements will be readily available.

Yea it's stupidly OS but not so stupidly OS that it's unusable. Plus it feels great in the hand for me which helps with the confidence needed to throw hard

@discmania_support any word on cd2’s? Any new molds in the works? You gotta give us something. Disc golf season is kicking off for most of the country by now.

I wouldn't expect too much at this point. They keep saying "Soon" on the long promised production update, but of course that was back in December/January. They are so far behind on the "planned" releases from fall of 2021 seeing that the FD was just released and it was supposed to be a winter 2021 release. It seems they overplayed their hand by building up the hype and then running into production and shipping issues. They definitely do not want to start getting in the habit of that. So I'm sure there is stuff coming down the pipe, namely the MD1 and PD stock C-Line runs, but I wouldn't expect too much beyond that in the coming weeks.

Edit: Oh and probably a stock rainmaker release as well

Of course, I wouldn't mind being wrong.....

I could go for a handful of those nice looking glow rainmakers sooner rather than later.

Discmania has always been pretty transparent with what is coming down the pipeline. Granted, things can/will get backed up from time to time. But we've had a good idea of everything that was in the works since the announcement of the new factory. What other manufacturer is online telling us exactly what they have coming up in production? I'll wait...

As far as what is coming down the pipleline, here's what I have gathered lately:

Stock C-MD1
Stock C-DD3
Glow Flex 3 Rainmaker Signature Series P2
Stock C-P2
Sky God 4 C-P2 Signature Series
Stock C-PD
New run of the Tilt (confirmed in a Simon video)
Leftover special discs from the mystery boxes
And I believe we were told 3-4 new molds beyond the original 5 in 2022 (FD3, PD2, CD2???)

I’ve traced most of these through the last months as well. Now it’s time for DM Support to confirm!

Discmania put up some special blend molds releasing tomorrow.

Also, I didn’t think the Rainmaker was a P2. Two different molds. (Barely)

You're correct. My mistake. It is a retooled P2, but is its own mold.

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Technically, in a roundabout way. That type of disc would begin as flat and once it cools will puddle slightly. There are often variances within any kind of mold out there but once we see something we like, we do our best to keep it that way. Slight puddle putters have gotten much more positive feedback than a domey one (yuck). But a board flat anything is very difficult to achieve. It'll usually have some dome or a slight puddle. Or extremes of either if we prefer.

Rainmaker is for sure a thing. The Tilt will also be released later this year as well as the Sky God, too. For all other stuff in the works, we'll prefer to release short term info as opposed to a wider road map plan for the time being just to be sure we don't disappoint anyone with plans that get delayed for any number of reasons. You can bet that you'll have the info first with weeks to spare in order to plan ahead :)

Any word on flex 2/3 vs. P line? Or when we get get C-line P2s for throwing this season? As always, appreciate your responses.

In the new Trevor Staub interview Lizotte said that he will have 3 signature molds this season. We already knew about the Sky God IV and the new Tilt, but he’s also getting a signature Md1.

Curious how everyone feels about that signature lineup? He said he wanted four but Jussi said he needs to win more to get a fourth (Lizotte referenced Eagle’s 4 signature molds).

I’m curious to know how people are liking the Md1 from the mystery boxes and if you love it as much as Lizotte? Also fun to speculate what would be Lizotte’s fourth signature disc? Would they debut a new PD with a revived Sky Rider, go the route of Doom Bird FD3, or something totally new?

Just some fun discussion topics during Major weekend!

I’m excited for the new MD1’s to become more available. I thought it might over lap the origin spot, but they are pretty different discs. I’d love to see an md1 in a fun new plastic, but would love to see a premium logic first lol.

I agree with Jussi. We need to see Simon perform at 100% after injury. (Also need to see Eagle, he’s struggling at Champion’s Cup post injury).

I bag the Origin and MD3. I haven’t thrown the MD1, and don’t know where I’d use it. I do have an old MD2, but it’s not in the bag. I tried the Mako3 and didn’t jive.

I bag a Midnight Prowl, a few md3's, and am contemplating keeping an md1 in the bag. My MP will hyzer flip slowly and eventually turn to the right for me. My md3's, for the most part will fly on the angle I put them on with a decent amount of finish. The md1 will fly dead straight and just sort of settle out without much of a finish at all. It has as much glide as the origin and is nice for low ceiling lines. I'm sure the more I throw it the more I will enjoy it. I'm excited for a stock release.

Problem is I am not very good at a flat release. I’d rather hit the Origin on more hyzer and have it finish straight. I throw MD3 on slight hyzer or anhyzer. If I try to throw flat my release is even more off target than with an intentional attack angle.

Cool to hear about your different uses. Thanks! I have all those in the bag as well, which is why I’m trying to decide if I need an Origin, Md1, AND Md3.

I hear you. I feel they do enough for my style of play to warrant slight overlap, but it won't be for everyone. It's a great disc and I think we will see a lot more people start to throw it.

@DiscT I'm stuck in the same boat. I recently took a bunch of stuff out of my bags and don't mind bagging more mids, even if I'm just trying them out, as opposed to carrying way too many drivers. Not sure if I really need it, but it's not causing a problem for me making the right disc selection so for now it will stay.

@Discmania_Support, are there any plans for P-Line style flippy plastic?

I love p line md3's. Such great discs. Would love to see P line make a come back.

I’d be in for Flex3 MD3s.

It’s odd that they’ve consistently avoided the p-line question in this thread. I find the “pick and choose” method a bit odd. In addition to saying a production update was coming when it wasn’t, only a shipping update. If you can’t predict, that’s totally fine. No fault in that. You can’t write a check you can’t cash.

DM overplayed their hand last fall when they announced the new production facility and then ran into what I assume were significant production and supply chain problems. I think they have now realized that they are better off taking a cautious approach with information releases so as to not build hype only to disappoint consumers. I assume that we are entering a production phase where DM will not be foreshadowing releases outside of the current or upcoming quarter. In the long run that's probably smarter even though it leaves everyone craving information and teasers.

On the upside Its pretty obvious just by looking at the shop page on the DM site right now that they have good inventory which suggests that shipping is perhaps becoming a bit more stable. New molds and special releases are coming I just wouldn't expect some sort of long term road-map for releases from DM anytime soon.

Hey everyone! Been gone for a little bit. Been rippin it up on my new Enduro MTB and haven't been playing much disc or posting/reading here. I remember last year looking for a good Mid range, and then stopped playing as my MTB'ng took over completely. And I see Discmania FINALLY got some of the discs out they said were going to have available last fall. Specifically the C Line MD3 and Color Glow Iron Samurai 3. And just wondering how these two new discs compare to each other and the old MD3's?

So I have two mint original Iron Samurai's that I put away as collectors items and two Original S line MD3's from Huk labs. I always loved those discs, but when I saw how much they were worth on the eBay market, I quickly put them away, as I didn't want to risk loosing them or having some greasy disc thief find one if I lost it.

Those discs all flew about the same, with the S line maybe being the tiniest bit less stable. They flew like a 5/5/0/2 for me most of the time, but when I was throwing really well and far, they were more like a 5/5/-.25/2. Basically a perfect mid range that won't turn over (or much), has really good distance, is mostly neutral in flight, but always has a moderate finish. And I've always been looking for something like this, but just a touch less fade at the end, but still just as stable at high speeds and low/moderate wind. Something workable and mostly straight, with a straight to slight fade finish, but won't turn and burn on hard rips. Kind of like a Mako3, but more stable on hard throws. I love my Mako3, but it's so finicky. Sometimes on a good throw, it's straight with a slight baby fade at the end. Perfect. But other times it'll get going right really fast and never come back. So I want to find something similar to it, just more stable at high speeds and a touch more fade so I always know it will finish left.

I see the new MD3's and IS 3's are labeled as 5/5/0/1 (while the old ones were 5/5/0/2), yet when I watch videos of people throwing them, they look much more stable than 5/5/0/1. Like a 5/5/0/2 or sometimes even 3 fade. I also heard the new ones are a touch more glide than the old ones? Is that true? And that the mint green IS3 is a touch domier, so it glides more, but is also more overstable than the pink ones. What about the regular C line versions? Any colors you need to know about that are different in terms of dome or stability or glide?

So just wondering if the new MD3 C line and Color Glow IS 3 are more or less stable then the old original IS 1 or S lines? And of all 4 discs, which one is the most neutral flight with the least amount of fade at the end?

For sure the new MD3s are a bit on the overstable side. Good spin and arm speed may alleviate for some of that. I have red C-MD3s and a pink IS3. The latter is even more overstable. My old go-tos are pink CE MD3 and a FR Glow MD4, and I dont feel like these MD3s add any value to my shots necessarily. Might also be from just knowing the old guns better, I dunno. Also still trying out the MD1 but even that is more stable than I would like, so I think I'm just gonna stick to the oldies goldies.

ps.

Good on you! I also just upgraded to a Devinci Kobain and have been hitting drops and jumps harder than ever before. :hfive: Easily my #1 pastime nowadays. DG 4ever, though.

Hmm, so all the new MD3's are more O/S than the old ones? That sucks, haha. I guess I'll have to try and find an MD1 or maybe go with a Lat64 Trust or Compass? I've read and seen some videos of the Trust and it looks/seems more like what I'm looking for. Stable in all throws, but mostly dead straight with a baby fade at the very end. And good glide and distance.

Gotta find something that is long, straight, but always has a baby fade at the end and is what you'd call stable. My Glimmer Lucid X Emac Truth has way too much fade at the end (although it does go dead straight most of the flight, just has a fairly big fade at the end), and my Star Mako3 is too unpredictable. It's great when thrown at about 50-75% power, but it's SO easy to throw it a little bit too hard and have it turn over. So I want to replace the Mako3, and just carry 2 mids. And was hoping the new MD3's were actual 5/5/0/1's. I'm getting really close to having the perfect bag and that's one of the last discs I want.

From what I have thrown, the new MD3's are more HSS, but less LSS. All the old md3's I threw had a bit of turn after a little seasoning, and a teensy drift to the right when fresh, then a predictable and moderate fade. These new MD3'S are very true to the 0,1 turn,fade numbers imo. I use them in the 275'-350' range, and they will hold the release angle for 80% of the flight and then fade gently. The IS3 seems to have a little more fade, maybe even 0,2. But I find the new MD3'S to be much more of a laser straight disc than a baby s-curve or flip to flat disc like the old md3's. If you don't generate a lot of spin or have a bit less arm speed, I could see them acting more overstable than Innova produced runs

In my hands the Trust and the new MD3 are the exact same flight. I haven’t thrown an old MD3. New MD3 is exactly like adventurous penguin described, ecxept I can’t throw mids 350.

Interesting. So my old Sline MD3 and OG Iron Samurai's were straight to fade. It was a 5/5/0/2 or even 2.5 for me. I'd throw them around 275-300'. So I don't quite have the distance I think to get them to straighten out as much as pros or hard throwing AMs can.

And when you say less LSS, you mean LESS fade at slow speed? Correct? Which would mean, these new MD3's would be more straight to small fade? Compared to the old ones that are a straight to moderate fade. So less fade at the end on the new ones? Is that what you're saying?

Also, when are the MD1 C Lines supposed to be released? I don't see any for sale on the Discmania website, just a video of Simon throwing them and talking them up.

Correct. I see less fade with these new MD3'S. They remind me of a somewhat worn in premium plastic Envy. No turn, with a very small, gentle fade. Kinda like a Z Buzzz without the high speed turn.

Imagine throwing a mid as hard as you can, flat. The MD3 goes exactly straight for 75% of it’s flight, and starts 5 degrees of fade for the last 25%

New DM Disc Approved: Paradigm

https://www.pdga.com/technical-stand...discs/paradigm

Specifications
Max Weight: 175.1gr
Diameter: 21.1cm
Height: 1.7cm
Rim Depth: 1.1cm
Rim Thickness: 2.1cm
Inside Rim Diameter: 16.8cm
Rim Depth / Diameter Ratio: 5.2%
Rim Configuration: 34.00
Flexibility: 9.89kg

Any Thoughts?

I’m trying to figure out what to compare this to. Plastic looks Original Lin and not Evolution. Is this their “paradigm shift” toward a retooled CD? Rim looks to be in between fairway and distance driver?

Intrigue!

Hope it’s a DD because it’s none of these:


https://www.dgcoursereview.com/forum...1&d=1651580965

Quiet, Incremental Updates…
 

Behold…the new “production update.”

https://www.discmania.net/pages/next

I knew it. Just bought one off EBay, but maybe for less than these will sell for.

fwiw the new innova power disc/phantom swords are pretttty nice

Nah, I can wait for Discmania. Innova fans can throw those :D