I think maybe my octane is just getting beat. It's neuron and has hit a few fences and landed on pavement and skidded a few times so a heavy proton or eclipse may work.

Anyone know the most stable plastic for an octane?

I found the Neutron to be most OS. Followed by Plasma.

My summer of speed 13 love suggests that PLH is king and any weight or plastic (domey or flat) could go more over or understable than the baseline. Now if anyone can say specifically "the stiff domey heavy teal Proton run came out overstable" then this is info I'd also like.

Fission Photons are one of the most inconsistent molds that MVP has. That being said, they are one of my favorites. But, yeah, they need a guide.

FR Photons -- most were FAF and had a matte appearance and chalky feel. They are pretty straight with some stability when new and beat into a great disc with maybe a HSS og -0.5 to -1.0. LSS starts off at a +1 to a +1.5 but beat in to be pretty straight to +0.5

2nd Run Photons -- very discernible heartbeat dome. More glide than the FRs. Much less HSS and drift probably -1.0 when new to -2.0 to -2.5 when beat in. They don't handle headwinds well but with the right conditions these things bomb. They are more Wave-like than Photon like but I like them because I now carry fewer Waves. They also have a slightly more rubbery or bike tire feel to them.

3rd-late 2018 -- all these are PFN and are various iterations of the 2nd run with some more flat, some with a higher dome. Go by PLH for these.

2019 Run with FN -- the plastic on these is not as chalky or matte as the FR but have a closer PLH. They also came out in higher weights (there were some high 160s and low 170s in the FR and 2nd runs but were pretty rare and highly sought after).These things are real beefcakes and even after seasoning, are still pretty OS. HSS is a 0 and LSS is a +2.0 to +2.5 (it might even be a 3 on some days). I am trying to still season mine but don't have a place for it yet in my bag (seasoning both a 160 and and 170 class).

2019 Elaine King -- most are pretty similar to above but there seem to be more that don't have the shiny ness of the others this year. This was confirmed just this week when I found out that they were experimenting with polishing the rims on the Fission Photons. The EK ones do not have this done to them. They also seem collectively to have less shoulder and flatter than others for this run. They are most like the FR than anything released (although the higher weights are beefcakes like all the 2019 run).

2019 SE Mac Planck -- almost identical to the EK but with brighter colors. Also most like the FR but beware that 165g+ ones are pretty beefy.

I normally bag 2-3 Fission Photons. A FR that is FAF and super straight (need to throw with some hyper). Pretty good with slight headwinds (less than 10mph). The 2nd is a 2nd run that is pretty US, not good in headwinds, but when the conditions are right this just bombs. The last is a 3rd run that is pretty flat and doesn't have any high speed turn. It has a good amount of stability and I can rely on it for good fade. I have multiple backups of each and keep them seasoned up with field practice in case I happen to loose one temporarily in one of the local water hazards that I can sometime end up in.

I was referring to Octanes, but I was just thinking about Photons as well. I have a couple (N and P) and I will probably pick up a couple more. I want them to fill the speed gap in my bag between Volts and speed 13s while also providing long lines with better wind resistance. I was thinking a heavy Proton for hyzers and wind and perhaps a heavy EK fission to be more of a longer Volt. Any thoughts?

My 171g EK and 168g Max Planck are like completely different molds. EK has dome, bit glide, won't turn but won't fade much either, whereas Planck is pretty flat, flies faster with dumpy fade.

My 2 fission photons are a domey Elaine and a FAF SE Max and this has been mostly my experience although somehow the EK seems to be more stable. I'm sure weight and beating are the answer lol. I think fission photons could probably cycle and vary enough to cover any distance line imaginable, I just have nowhere to buy in person so rely pretty heavily on my online retailer (if you're in Canada check him out at faithfulflight.com, great guy and sponsors a lot of my events).

If I have the luxury of looking at discs before I buy them I agree PLH is the way to go, but for now I'm stuck choosing a weight and a plastic fingers crossed.

Just can't wait for some 170ish proton teslas become available, I miss mine soo bad.

I found the sparkle protons with the SE rocket stamp tp be a little more high speed stable than my stock stamp neutrons. I could rip it pretty dang hard and it would resist turning. Still bring one out to field practice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMHFoHI4Mqs&t=4m02s Not the best example of the straight flight I mentioned, but you can see it fight out of a mild anny.

Here's one more

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLRzHZ9juRY&t=2m58s

I bag Wraths for that role. They're really close to Volts speed wise so they might not fit your bag as well as my Crave/Wrath/Mayhem setup, but they go surprisingly far. They always glided better than Photons for me.

I haven't seen any domey neutron Photons, but have seen domey fission. Haven't thrown one in Proton or Plasma.

For me the Photon was a touch more LSS than I wanted for that role, being a bit beefier than I'd like for good distance. Defy's fly very nice for me but lacked the HSS I wanted for moderate headwinds. Wrath hit the sweet spot for me.