I will sort of second that since that's sort of what happened to my bag... I was a huge Buzzz guy, I used one as a putter for a while as well as approach and did well with it.. It was my first ahem putter haha. That endeared me to Discraft even in my Innova environment here.. Comet and Wasp were close behind 3 mids that covered everything! I like the simplicity but then there was the Envy and it stole all the Buzzz shots within 6 months. It didn't help the Buzzz that I lost my first seasoned one and my matched 170 Z Wasp or that I'd picked up an Axis as soon as they made em. No regrets with Axis > Buzzz.. But again no gyro Comet replacement.

Are Ions still flying pretty nice these days?

I'm square fingered so I cannot comment on such things...

All ions do is fly nice.

Way to own the deformity. Must suck.

Not as far as you, my man.

Honestly, I was just giving a smart a comment after all the MVP mid bashing. I've only thrown one buzzz, flat ESP and I truly assume others fly better.

I bag Verdict, Roc, Comet for my mids and they all fly farther than my Envy. My buzzz however doesn't really. And I prefer throwing it.

Lurks(?)

I used to throw a cycle of wasps as my mids... the envy/proxy pretty much took all of those shots and the resistor and crave took the rest. I still carry a beaten to neutral flat Z wasp for FH rollers and when I just need more glide than the proxy or envy have.

If you are someone that skips the slow fairways, I can see where the mids would be needed more. I just don't really need them....





… though I guess that could change once my southpawness starts up:|

To lurk is to read and not post. I'll leave it at that, cheers.

Your right... Moose would not compare those discs.

Both are good, but not the same type of flight/feel/purpose IMO.

No I mean just neutron Matrix overall compared to proton Matrix.