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nothinbuttree 09-07-2020 11:25 AM

I think part of hole 7's mystery is the drive itself. One can either throw a fairway driver or spike hyzer higher speed disc short of the first O/B, or try to clear it with a traditional drive. I saw several bad shots just off the drive in the two rounds. From the very best players. And wind did not seem to be a big factor either round.

This poor shot selection/execution then leads to A) throwing 3 from before the O/B or B) throwing 2, but from a less than perfect lie.

Then a lot of people break the cardinal rule: never follow a bad shot with a dumb shot. They try to make up that lost stroke in an epic hero throw, which is fraught with danger on a relatively (100' vs 1200' long) narrow fairway.

I think a good mid/fairway shot to just short of the O/B, then a good but not great 2nd shot, staying in the middle of the fairway, would leave about 350'-400' to the pin, and a decent chance at getting up and down from there for a birdie.

I've only played the hole once and got a 7, so take anything I say with a grain of salt, but I only have 300' power. I somehow ended up going O/B right on my 2nd shot... :)

Just as a side note, it is interesting how top pros, who can throw 300' dead straight in the woods, often have trouble throwing straight 400' in a wide open field unless they have a huge hyzer line.

ToddL 09-07-2020 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by nothinbuttree (Post 3628721)
Then a lot of people break the cardinal rule: never follow a bad shot with a dumb shot. They try to make up that lost stroke in an epic hero throw, which is fraught with danger on a relatively (100' vs 1200' long) narrow fairway.

A lot of golfers refuse to play golf. They play "have to birdie everything" instead, even after they screw up.
(And that's also not to say that's the "wrong" or "dumb" way to play. If you want to win, you kinda have to birdie everything. If everybody runs everything every time, then someone is going to make more of them and come out with the win. If your goal is to finish 15th place, then you can just throw chip shots down the fairway and take a bunch of pars. But if you want to finish 1st, then you have to take a lot of risks, and maybe you'll be the chosen one this weekend.)

nothinbuttree 09-07-2020 02:13 PM

I get that SOMEONE will play great and you have to be aggressive at this level to actually win, but also that once one bad shot is thrown on a particular hole, the risk reward pendulum on that hole swings a lot more to the risk side. That course really sets up where the 2nd shot on several holes is more important than the first shot. Not sure if it was designed that way, but think about how many holes have less than a full drive on the first throw: 1, 4, 7, 8, 10 (I think--the wall hole where basket is in the woods), 16, 18. Getting more aggressive on the drives on these holes will usually result in a par at best, and rarely (very) an eagle--KJ's rollers on 1 (though not in the actual tourney) being an exception, but that is a very risky play.

One thing I saw KJ do on the back nine was play smart--especially once he saw his Paul was going to get par on a particular hole. He made good decisions, purposefully not giving up 2 strokes on a hole. I think if he would have to play more aggressively he would have, but he just didn't have to. His back 9 nerves seemed great. I think he is here to stay.

ILUVSMGS18 09-07-2020 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Torpedo Vegas (Post 3628502)
How tall is Hailey King? My wife thinks that she is very tall but I think she just looks taller because she is very thin.

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Originally Posted by Nova P (Post 3628598)
Tiny. Like 5'nothing.

However, everyone is tiny to me, so I could be wrong.

She's about the same height as PP, if not a bit taller. I'd guess she's between 5'4 and 5'6.

Orioles_Lefty 09-07-2020 04:08 PM

On 7 it seems like the error you can’t make is an OB with little positive distance gained. I wonder what singular choice or decision sequence creates that result the most.

The OB on that hole that bothers me the least is RHFH out over the left side OB pushing for extra distance for a birdie putt and not a birdie upshot. Seems the right risk/reward.

That right tree line really seems to eat up distance gains.

Steve West 09-07-2020 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Orioles_Lefty (Post 3628810)
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That right tree line really seems to eat up distance gains.

If so, it doesn't need to tack on a penalty throw. If it were a Relief Area (no-penalty OB) the players could get punished by lack of distance instead of lack of distance AND a penalty throw. That might make for more exciting strategies. And they still wouldn't need to go into the trees.

the_lung 09-07-2020 07:20 PM

I love the observations and discussion about hole#7 on Fox, but to me, it’s how competitors played hole#16 and how critical it was to the outcome of both divisions. Hailey lost the tourney because of it, and it also put the nail in the coffin on Paul’s comeback bid.

DiscFifty 09-07-2020 08:29 PM

For me the mind $%^& of the tournament is Dickerson's R2 hole #18. He could of gone tee to basket with a putter and shot better.

Steve West 09-07-2020 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by the_lung (Post 3628843)
I love the observations and discussion about hole#7 on Fox, but to me, itís how competitors played hole#16 and how critical it was to the outcome of both divisions. Hailey lost the tourney because of it, and it also put the nail in the coffin on Paulís comeback bid.

Interestingly, there was no single hole where if it had been skipped for both rounds, it would have changed Kevin being 1st or Paul being 2nd.

Here is how all the holes performed, in terms of how much they contributed to the amount of information in the total MPO scores.

F06 19.0%
B13 15.3%
F01 11.8%
F04 11.4%
B12 10.6%
F13 10.1%
F05 10.1%
B08 10.0%
F08 10.0%
B07 9.3%
B06 9.1%
B02 8.6%
F03 7.9%
B04 7.6%
F18 7.2%
B17 6.6%
B18 6.4%
B05 6.0%
B03 5.9%
F09 5.7%
F07 5.2%
F16 4.5%
F17 4.4%
B09 4.1%
B11 3.9%
B10 3.8%
B16 3.8%
B01 3.8%
F14 2.6%
F10 2.2%
F12 2.2%
B15 2.1%
F15 1.0%
F11 -3.5%
F02 -4.4%
B14 -5.2%

Yes, the hole that should have been par 2 was the most important hole of the tournament.

Orioles_Lefty 09-07-2020 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve West (Post 3628830)
If so, it doesn't need to tack on a penalty throw. If it were a Relief Area (no-penalty OB) the players could get punished by lack of distance instead of lack of distance AND a penalty throw. That might make for more exciting strategies. And they still wouldn't need to go into the trees.

Makes sense. I donít know what the throw tracker shows but seems like a fair number of people go from right side of fairway after 1 throw to the left-ish side with a forehand and then have some options from there in terms of their selection.

The RHBH second throw after the full first throw needs a fair amount of airspace to get full distance and the tree line comes into play. An interesting proposal youíve made. That tree line also as a fair amount of luck with kick and where the disc ultimately falls.

I throw LHBH and about 300 feet, so picturing the pro righty options spins my head around a little.


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