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Alexplz 08-07-2019 02:17 AM

Fast glidey stable drivers
 
Hey dudes,

Always looking to maximize my FH distance with low power (no longer than 300' typically) but decent finesse.

I understand and anticipate the differences between the popular Innova and DC drivers, but I am less familiar with the somewhat more recent warp speed drivers from trilogy.

I am specifically looking for a FH driver which combines ludicrous speed and glide with relatively neutral stability - I would say something like 12+ / 6 / -1 to -2 / 2 to 3

I'm thinking if it's not a Shryke or pro destroyer I seek, or possibly a crank, I would like to lean on Euroglide and try one of the new trilogy options.

These include the Ballista and BP, the Sorcerer, the Sheriff and the Raider (and maybe Havoc? Looks comfy for FH.)

Can anyone compare and contrast these, or suggest something else? For reference I found the Queen to be too flippy for this slot, and the Defender, while having a very comfy, smooth grip, is too OS for true hyzer flip distance FHs.

Moose33 08-07-2019 07:23 AM

Sheriff, King, Emperor and Ballista Pro could a be good depending on your preference. I wouldn’t use any of them FH, but I have used all of them as backhand drivers and they do really well on hyzerflip lines.

Sethamphetamine 08-07-2019 10:26 AM

Sorcerer and havoc are the same disc essentially. Not stable. I think you’ll find what you’re looking for with the shryke. A trespass might be worth a look, sword also.

tbird888 08-07-2019 10:40 AM

The Star TeeBird is what you want. If that's too overstable at 300', try a G* TeeBird.

Alexplz 08-07-2019 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by tbird888 (Post 3482100)
The Star TeeBird is what you want. If that's too overstable at 300', try a G* TeeBird.

Love teebirds in star and gstar. Not sexy enough for this shot though.

I practice temperance for my backhand and try to match my armspeed, but when it comes to forehand, sometimes I just want to milk all the speed and glide I can to get that extra 10-15 ft for the look at birdie.

Alexplz 08-07-2019 11:00 AM

Hey rather than post a new thread (tempted to), I'll ask here as it's related.

Seems like there are a lot of great options for this slot, so I can be pretty choosy.

If I ran the CAD at lat64, I would take a Defender and just lower the PLH slightly because the Defender is so dang comfy in hand. Specifically, I think this is thanks to the very smooth transition from flightplate to lower wing at the PLH, and overall lack of sharp angles throughout. I bag a fuzion defender for technical flex forehands and skips in the woods.

The Queen has a similar shape but found it too flippy... I would not mind trying another one, maybe compare a big stack and pick up the highest PLH of the bunch next time.

Of the currently available trilogy options, what's my best bet for a less stable Defender? Bio Defender obviously, and what else?

Sethamphetamine 08-07-2019 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alexplz (Post 3482110)
Hey rather than post a new thread (tempted to), I'll ask here as it's related.

Seems like there are a lot of great options for this slot, so I can be pretty choosy.

If I ran the CAD at lat64, I would take a Defender and just lower the PLH slightly because the Defender is so dang comfy in hand. Specifically, I think this is thanks to the very smooth transition from flightplate to lower wing at the PLH, and overall lack of sharp angles throughout. I bag a fuzion defender for technical flex forehands and skips in the woods.

The Queen has a similar shape but found it too flippy... I would not mind trying another one, maybe compare a big stack and pick up the highest PLH of the bunch next time.

Of the currently available trilogy options, what's my best bet for a less stable Defender? Bio Defender obviously, and what else?

New raider, perhaps? Havenít thrown it, but seems to fit the bill from what I have read

R-Ogre 08-07-2019 11:59 AM

I’m curious because I want to learn, why the preference for a speed 12 when you’re only throwing 300’? Seems like speed 9-10 stable drivers would work better at that arm speed than a flippy 12? Do you like the wider rims?

slowplastic 08-07-2019 12:03 PM

I would go with Sheriff. I love it for FH shots as it's got high speed but the rim isn't stupid shallow, and it still has a lot of glide. The fade will pull it out of a bit of flex too, especially if you're wanting to use it in that 300+ range...although it will probably act/skip like a speed 13 driver that fades when it hits the ground. I typically use it for max D FH's at 370+ so it's getting flippy at that point but the fade still pulls it back.

I also love how the Defender feels, the Sheriff is shallower but not really shallow. The Trespass is more shallow and a bit more finicky but if you have a clean FH it can work as well. I just think the Sheriff is actually more forgiving on FH shots, although overall the disc can do a bit more shaping and skipping during flight since it's noticeably faster.

Havoc is so understable, definitely not that. Sorcerer is like a Tern stability, I think it's too understable and very floaty for a dependable FH distance disc. It would definitely get you good easy distance in your range but I think it'd be finicky...however it's more neutral than the Sheriff so if the Sheriff fades too much then this or a Trespass are a good next choice. I've never FH'd a Ballista or even held the BP or Raider.

slowplastic 08-07-2019 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by R-Ogre (Post 3482154)
Iím curious because I want to learn, why the preference for a speed 12 when youíre only throwing 300í? Seems like speed 9-10 stable drivers would work better at that arm speed than a flippy 12? Do you like the wider rims?

I get it for FH shots for sure. For a BH thrower I would completely agree with you that a Valk/SW or even FD would go as far/farther and with less effort if someone is throwing 300.

But on a FH usually when people are throwing 300ish they don't have as much spin and pop to make slower discs glide super easily, and the higher speed discs will cruise out there on speed with that extra stability able to eat up some small errors. I just think higher speed discs that aren't stupid OS to make someone flex them, can often be easier for someone to confidently throw FH. Of course if you want to throw farther then throwing those slower control drivers clean is a great way to build up the effortless leverage/control rather than smashing high speed drivers as far as possible.


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