MVP Disc Sports (Official Thread) (Part V)
 

Cont'd from here.

Yes I thought about the Matrix... played the plasma Axis today.... A couple real good shots and a couple that missed the tunnel by a few feet... definitely a viable contender against the Tangents but nowhere near Comet country... more like a sweet Buzzz or a decent Axis but six months of wear and it should be about right... it's closer to sweet than my 5 year old occasionally used eclipse. It's close enough to play it unlike the eclipse.

aint no comet replacement and aint no buzz replacement

Today, I went a couple towns over that has a larger disc golf pro shop. I raffled through their special disc section until I found a Circuit stamped Relay @167g. It is peach instead of my normal whites, purples and pinks, but it flew nice. Well worth the $20 price tag than the normal $18.

I also picked up a 174g Relativity. Dang, those things are flippy! Whilst I don't have the arm speed to throw them properly in calm winds, we were having high 20s mph winds today.... turn and burn baby! I think this disc is going to be trade bait...it also has a Circuit stamp.

Tangent and axis are tho. Matrix would be your stupid ace disc with minimal bead. Hater. I'll lick your face.

:sick::gross::thmbdown:

ill take you up on the offer tho <3

Lick his eye it's more disgusting and uncomfortably intimate. Haha

Yeah I could see Elmex liking the Matrix... I used to be a huge Buzzz guy if there was a 170 Axis... mmm close but yeah. The Tangent is Buzzz broken in awesome 25' shorter and the axis is Buzzz +25' but you gotta power it up to love it.. And there isn't the cycling awesomeness but a sweet broken in Axis is almost Comet glide with moderate broken in Buzzz stability.. Axis is sweet when beat!!!!

I got no problem swapping my Buzzz for an Axis but.... The Vertex, Theory, or Tangent can't touch the Comet glide.. Vertex was closest for me for handling but dropped too fast downhill.. Fission 165 Axis.. Just [email protected]@@ing make it already.

As a Wasp thrower, there is no way Elmex would like the Matrix. It is closer to a slower Buzzz than a Wasp. Really, it is a Roc/Buzzz hybrid, but not a Wasp/Roc3 replacment.

I think the Axis is very very close to a Buzzz. I'd go so far as to call it a Buzzz clone. (Like Scorsese said, steal from the best.)

I was into CryZtal Buzzzes, which was annoying because I try to avoid limited run discs. Proton, once it gets beat up some/dirt rubbed into it, is fairly close, feel-wise. I switched to the Axis (I really prefer it in Eclipse for whatever reasons) and never missed a beat. That's really what got me to sign on to the Gyronaut program.

Is there anything, anywhere, like the Comet? I'm not sure there is. What would even be the closest Gyro? Theory, maybe?

Theory isn't even close. No glide and much harder dump. An Ion or a Relay is closer to the Comet than the Theory.

This is no gyro Comet, don't bother looking.

It's tough to replicate in gyro.. It's like there's a certain stability or flight that comes with it. The closest clone to a Comet for me is the Axis just for the glide. I think if MVP tried to build a Comet they would need to do something to mitigate the gyro. Either light weights (fission), a solid mold (streamline), or a sharper rim wide diameter driver (Stalker).

I often wonder how an Axis top would do on a Vertex bottom... or the Vector with the Vertex/Spin shaped underrim.

That's kind of my point.

Trust me, I'm not looking. I've managed to play DG for about a decade without bagging a Comet.

For me the matrix has replaced my glow buzzz. the proxy handles a lot of shots I used to throw mids on. Not many things fly like a comet I never threw one much because i could not get consistent release with them. Love the flight of a comet just never trusted myself with them. I throw the theory for my understable mid shots. Tensor Matrix Theory with some proxy and particle sprinkled in work well for me.

I don't think it's as much gyro as much as it is lack of glide. The Comet has curves that I think may be hard to replicate due to the overmold. I don't have a axis or tanget on hand to compare, but if memory serves me correctly, the overmold forces a sharper curve at the join.

Comets are pretty rim heavy anyway. They sorta have a lid like weight profile.

I should say...not to badmouth the Comet. My experience with it is, I tried them out when I was still pretty terrible, and didn't have the form to get consistent throws with it. By the time I was (maybe) good enough to really get the magic out of it, I was somewhere else, mids-wise.

Every time I go to the Disc Store I feel up the Comets and consider buying one for funsies. But the problem is that I really, really like my current midrange setup (non-gyro...sorry). I'm kind of getting to the point where I'm just not that interested in learning new molds, I just want to get better at the ones I already have. When I need to scratch the itch to buy a new disc, lately I've just bought a mold that I already own but in a different plastic type.

i tried the matrix when it first came out and i threw em with aim and he hit pipe on hole 1 i can agree its the hybrid mix between wasp/buzz

axis is floaty and doesnt hold up in a wind especially headwind like a buzz does theyre roughly the same lines in no wind but with any wind thats when buzz clearly becomes superior

overall discraft mids > mvp mids

but mvp putters > discraft mids

choose wisely

MVP putters > everything else. So use that as your starting point to build a bag.

I find the DD/Westside mids pair well with gyro putters. Likewise DD and Westside fairways pair well with DD/Westside mids.

MVP has some of the best controllable distance drivers...that 21.5mm class has some real gems. But then I like Lat64's true max D Ballista/Ballista Pro combo. So I use a combo of moderately-wide and super wide drivers.

I probably put too much thought into my bag setup, but that's essentially the thought process. It all comes down to what your starting point or anchor is for your bag, and at the time I decided that the Envy and Escape were the two discs that I'd build around. Emac Truth fits distance-wise perfectly between those two anchor discs, and then stability-wise I used Envy/Emac/Escape as the middle of my bag with the other discs complementing those. Max D discs are still a bit unkempt though.

Hm, that's interesting. I'll have to take your word for it. On open shots where wind is/would be a factor, I don't throw mids much. An Axis shot in those conditions, for me, is a Resistor shot. (Or maybe, some glorious day, a ResistRelay shot. :popcorn:)

Around here, there aren't many of those shots, so I throw a lot of Axis since it's all woods golf all the time, with a few exceptions.

which class is the 21.5mm? i dont see any 21.5mm on their website just 21 or 23mm

would be nice to have a speed 12 (22mm) class though.. i feel like the speed 11 doesnt quite get me max distance but the speed 13 23mm class is just a little too wide rimmed for me.

I think he is referring to the Photon class. The Tesla class is 20mm I think, right?

Tesla is 18.5mm

Hmm I didn't think there was that big a gap between those classes... #memoryproblems.

But I was right that he was referring to the Photon class...

Whatever they call it now, originally they called it 21.5mm

That's a typo on MVP website. It is a 20mm wing. Let's look back at the original announcement...

"The Impulse, Motion, and Tesla along with the Inertia are part of the 20mm-wing distance driver class from MVP Disc Sports. This class of controllable distance drivers will have a wide weight range from 155g to 175g..."

Infinite has them at 21mm

Edit^ due to timeout

Infinite has them at 20mm as well

wow surprised their own website is wrong, i always say go to the source for correct info... i guess the source can be wrong haha

Yeah, I was referring to the Photon/Wave/Vanish class. Didn't realize they simply call those 21mm now.

And I agree that the Photon/Wave class aren't quite a max distance set of discs. They're a nice class though, because I can still get them up to speed even on days when I'm not throwing as powerfully, or when I want to back off a little to better control a shot but I don't want to disc all the way down to a fairway driver. Wave is probably a Top 5 mold for me.

they really need a 22mm class (speed 12) destroyer clone

i just picked up a 162g (lightest i could find) firm electron envy for putting, excited to see how a lighter one glides. Someone was saying a while back the light envy is better for putting. hoping to replace my heavier 173g

The Dreadnaught from MVP...:D




:popcorn:

they changed the way the discs were classed once flight ratings went into effect, something to do with how the wings would be measured going forward. all the classifications on the new site are correct for what MVP is classing them as nowadays. it's noted in some marketing release, can't recall how or when it was published.

How about Axiom's beat in version? I vote for Shiva. You know, the destroyer of worlds.

Report back with your thoughts on the light Envy for putting. My local shop always has a ton of Electron Envies in the 160-169 range, but I never buy them since I try to putt with near max weight putters. I'm curious if you find your putting improves with the lighter discs. Maybe make it easier to drill those 45'+ C2 putts.

honestly the octane is just about perfect if you can find a more overstable one other than the rim being wider. I have a bunch of new octanes id love to test out but theres a few feet of snow on the ground :doh:

im excited to try one of the protons i have, the PLH is very slightly higher than all the rest but still has the same dome :D it might be the one!

FWIW I nail it with a 165 Envy all day every day... I really like it.. The transisition to electron though is a little weird I think adding 3-5 g is probably the key to having it fly like a plasma. Electron is extra glide less hss.

I've got three Electron Envies (1 firm + 2 regulars) all in the 172-174 range. I really like the flight of them for putting once the 'new' is knocked off of the discs, which doesn't take long. I basically use one for in the circle putting and the other one for out of circle putting + understable approaches/drives. Out of the box they're every bit as stable as a Neutron Envy, but it only takes 2-3 solid tree hits to turn them into an easy hyzerflip/touch disc.

This year I'm going to see how long the mold stays in that usable understable range. If I can get at least 4 months of use out of it, then I'll likely just cycle Electron Envies through my 'primary putter' and 'understable thrower/putter' slots. Burning out 3 putters a year doesn't seem too bad, especially since they're a multi-use disc for me. If it doesn't hold up that long then I'll likely buy a Proxy to test as my understable thrower. Preference would be to keep # of molds as low as possible though.

i wish they would make the proxy in electron. For my style i think that would be a great putting putter. I throw my proxys all the time and putt with them if it is windy.( i normal putt with an electron spin)

Have you tried the atom?

yeah I have putt with the atom nice and just stable. IMO the electron atom is like a plasma proxy in flight and ofr putting. looking for that touch less stablity with out having a beat disc. I may give some lighter atom a try. how does the pilot compare never trown or putted with them?

Pilot is very close to a Proxy. The shape of the wing and all the dimensions (look them up on the PDGA site) are nearly identical. It shares many of the properties of the the Envy class discs (Envy, Proxy, Atom, and Particle). In terms of stability, it starts off slightly less stable than an Atom. It has more glide off the shelf than any other of the discs in that class. In the hand it feels a bit more like a cross between a Proxy and an Anode. The shoulder is slightly higher than a Proxy but not quite as high an an Anode. It flies somewhat like a beat Anode for me. It is super straight and can handle a good amount of torque and headwind. I started putting Anodes. Switched to Envies and Proxies and now put Pilots. To really call them my Electron Proxies because they are similar.