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LucasP 10-03-2013 11:19 PM

I have hards and original zero. I am running out of pures in the old zero. So I'm workin in the zero hard. I wish there was a zero medium because for me the soft is to soft and the hard is too hard. I drive with an opto, so I'm referring to I site the circle duties.

archmage 10-04-2013 04:04 AM

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Originally Posted by LucasP (Post 2192457)
I have hards and original zero. I am running out of pures in the old zero. So I'm workin in the zero hard. I wish there was a zero medium because for me the soft is to soft and the hard is too hard. I drive with an opto, so I'm referring to I site the circle duties.

I also use original zero pures, and when I handled the first zero soft and zero hard run pures, I also wished for zero medium, as the softs really were super stupid floppy soft, and hards are really hard. However, later I fondled some newer black zero soft pures, and surprisingly they were not super floppy, but actually felt even slightly stiffer than the old zero. So it seems all hope is not lost, and not all zero softs are super soft.

LucasP 10-04-2013 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by archmage (Post 2192574)
I also use original zero pures, and when I handled the first zero soft and zero hard run pures, I also wished for zero medium, as the softs really were super stupid floppy soft, and hards are really hard. However, later I fondled some newer black zero soft pures, and surprisingly they were not super floppy, but actually felt even slightly stiffer than the old zero. So it seems all hope is not lost, and not all zero softs are super soft.

That's good to know, looks like the hunt is on for stiff zero soft pures.

Prototype 10-31-2013 11:04 AM

The Pure has been run in Zero Medium. They left the factory today heading to the US. They will bare the signature of the 2012 Putting world Champion Weston Isaacs. Source: lat 64 facebook page.

Prototype 10-31-2013 11:11 AM

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Jkosk 10-31-2013 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by archmage (Post 2192574)
I also use original zero pures, and when I handled the first zero soft and zero hard run pures, I also wished for zero medium, as the softs really were super stupid floppy soft, and hards are really hard. However, later I fondled some newer black zero soft pures, and surprisingly they were not super floppy, but actually felt even slightly stiffer than the old zero. So it seems all hope is not lost, and not all zero softs are super soft.

Yup, I primarily putt with Zero Hard ( I actually really prefer stiff putters) but picked up 4 black Zero Softs for the colder months / courses with potential killer roll aways. 1 of the Softs is borderline floppy, but the other 3 are fairly firm, but with a nice spring to them. Not as soft as most "soft" I have felt up.

Wonder if that blend are what the Mediums will be based off of.

Carter 10-31-2013 01:36 PM

Yeah, some of the new black softs are really nice having just a little more flex than the original zero line. I am a really big fan of the black softs I'm bagging, but will not resist ordering 5 of the mediums. The pure is tits, and I can't wait too feel up some mediums...

DG_Before_Breakfast 10-31-2013 02:06 PM

My Black Zeroline Pures have become my beloved Preciousesses...gollum. I'm not sharing them with my friends and loved ones, and I'm gonna keep putting with them until I fall into the cracks of doom.

I'm not the greatest putter in the world, but I've gotten a lot better since I settled on these. Great feel in the hand - even when dusty or recently wet, neutral stable flight, flies very straight with gentle fade when thrown flat, can take hyzer or anhyzer and stay true to that line. I use them for Putting and within 100ish feet for approach (unless it is a low ceiling because they can rise a bit when I throw them hard).

They are only $10, and I got 3 last time DN stocked them, so I have 2 at home I practice with, and one in my bag, that I hope last forever. Black is my last name, so they have become like a personal Mojo kind of thing as well.

It never gets too hot in Santa Cruz, but I might have to take a hard Judge or get an Opto Pure when I play in super hot places. Judge has a really similar flight IMO, but I prefer no big bead on my putter.

xjohncandyx 01-17-2014 09:15 PM

Necro time!

I just ordered the last two unique GL Pures off DGC. Are these generally less slick/domey than RGL? I loved the RGL when I first got it but that slowly faded as I got fed up with the grip. I know I won't get EZE/Zero flatness but if it's close to Opto I'll be pretty happy. And as long as the grip is like true GL I shouldn't have an issue.

I plan on using it solely for approaches, keeping the Opto in the driver slot. I putt with old EZE/TM2 Pures.

LucasP 01-18-2014 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by xjohncandyx (Post 2321263)
Necro time!

I just ordered the last two unique GL Pures off DGC. Are these generally less slick/domey than RGL? I loved the RGL when I first got it but that slowly faded as I got fed up with the grip. I know I won't get EZE/Zero flatness but if it's close to Opto I'll be pretty happy. And as long as the grip is like true GL I shouldn't have an issue.

I plan on using it solely for approaches, keeping the Opto in the driver slot. I putt with old EZE/TM2 Pures.

If I have my eyes closed, I can't tell the difference between my gl pure and my couple opto pures. They don't even fly different. My gl has about the same dome as my optos... maybe a bit less actually. I dont bag the gl.

jrawk 01-18-2014 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by LucasP (Post 2321512)
If I have my eyes closed, I can't tell the difference between my gl pure and my couple opto pures. They don't even fly different. My gl has about the same dome as my optos... maybe a bit less actually. I dont bag the gl.

exactly this. word for word.

sloppydisc 01-19-2014 10:59 AM

My GLs are a little more flat, and a little less HSS. It's not dramatic, but it is easier to turn my GLs. But after a few shots I can throw either one equally poorly according to my ability. :p

xjohncandyx 01-19-2014 11:06 AM

Well I'm glad they seem to be a bit flatter, that's good enough for me. As long as they aren't slippery like recycled I won't regret this. I prefer to have a specific disc for putting/up shots/driving so this should fit right in.

KenTyburski 01-30-2014 05:08 PM

When they first came out, I picked up a Zero Line Pure. I am assuming it was the "hard" variety. Liked it for a while, and then it broke in "too much," so I didn't continue throwing it. Later on, once my touch improved, I fell in love with the R-Pro Rhyno, which is been my consistent approach disc for 2+ years. Can never really break in something "too much" anymore.

Thinking about looking into the Pure again; I still have the old one (well, my brother does). Would the Zero Line Soft be similar to the R-Pro plastic, pretty flexible? Or is it "piece of bologna" super soft like some Vibram softs I've seen?

Any thoughts?

Broken Shoulder 01-30-2014 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by KenTyburski (Post 2337331)
When they first came out, I picked up a Zero Line Pure. I am assuming it was the "hard" variety. Liked it for a while, and then it broke in "too much," so I didn't continue throwing it. Later on, once my touch improved, I fell in love with the R-Pro Rhyno, which is been my consistent approach disc for 2+ years. Can never really break in something "too much" anymore.

Thinking about looking into the Pure again; I still have the old one (well, my brother does). Would the Zero Line Soft be similar to the R-Pro plastic, pretty flexible? Or is it "piece of bologna" super soft like some Vibram softs I've seen?

Any thoughts?

I have a white/gray swirly soft that is really soft. Which I really, really prefer up to about 90 degrees, as in air temperature. At that point, it basically will sag in your hand and fold itself in half when it hits anything. It's the only one I've had, so I'm not sure if other colors are different, but I am going to look into the mediums as an alternative on super hot days. I will say though that the grip and texture of the zero soft remains awesome even in the MN winter. My magic and aviars get pretty slick but the pure doesn't at all.

chain_ape7 01-30-2014 05:28 PM

I've been using the Soft zero line Pure for about 9 months now and have really fine tuned my putting game and for the most part love' em. Only complaint is they can be "grippy" and stick to my fingers upon release once in a while. I have tried a Hard and do like it for windy days - I might also try one of the new Mediums.

KenTyburski 01-30-2014 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Broken Shoulder (Post 2337346)
I have a white/gray swirly soft that is really soft. Which I really, really prefer up to about 90 degrees, as in air temperature. At that point, it basically will sag in your hand and fold itself in half when it hits anything. It's the only one I've had, so I'm not sure if other colors are different, but I am going to look into the mediums as an alternative on super hot days. I will say though that the grip and texture of the zero soft remains awesome even in the MN winter. My magic and aviars get pretty slick but the pure doesn't at all.

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Originally Posted by chain_ape7 (Post 2337347)
I've been using the Soft zero line Pure for about 9 months now and have really fine tuned my putting game and for the most part love' em. Only complaint is they can be "grippy" and stick to my fingers upon release once in a while. I have tried a Hard and do like it for windy days - I might also try one of the new Mediums.

Thanks for the feedback. I currently PUTT with a Cryztal FLX Challenger. I'm just thinking about going a single-manufacturer route, and wondered what the Softs were like. If they are anything like my R-Pro Rhynos, I would buy a bunch. I throw about 50-70% Rhyno for short driving, upshots, approaches, and even some jump putting, so I would be looking for something that might be comparable. I really need to get that Pure back from my brother...

Anyone else work any of the other Zero Line Pures? Hard? Medium?

DannyDanger 01-31-2014 12:48 AM

I like the Opto Pures for driving they fly super straight and everyone I have sold some too have had their personal best rounds at my main local course.

mattc 01-31-2014 09:04 AM

I have an opto and a zero hard I love them both.
I only use pures for throwing
The hard is still pretty fresh so it's getting all the action right now
I like it better than the opto because of the grip is better for cold and wet days
My intention is to beat it into an under stable complement to the opto.

bhadella 01-31-2014 10:23 AM

I putt/upshot with Zero Mediums over the Winter and drive/upshot with Optos.

My Opto is over a year old and still not flippy, just about the same stability as my first throws. Zero turn, slight fade (0, -1). I use it for driving and longer upshots that need a bit more power. The Opto has a nice slidey finish on hard surfaces (like all of my local Charlotte courses).

Zero Mediums are a nice mix of firm and grip for putting. Perfect for temps under 80 where you need good grip yet not putting a brick. These have a little bit of turn and slight fade. These are more inline with the "marketed" flight ratings of -1,1. When they touch the ground, they grip hard and stop on a dime. I know when we get into the Summer that I will switch over to Zero Hards for putting.

jrawk 01-31-2014 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by KenTyburski (Post 2337416)
Thanks for the feedback. I currently PUTT with a Cryztal FLX Challenger. I'm just thinking about going a single-manufacturer route, and wondered what the Softs were like. If they are anything like my R-Pro Rhynos, I would buy a bunch. I throw about 50-70% Rhyno for short driving, upshots, approaches, and even some jump putting, so I would be looking for something that might be comparable. I really need to get that Pure back from my brother...

Anyone else work any of the other Zero Line Pures? Hard? Medium?


Soft zero is comparible to putter r-pro plastic, but i think it's more comparible to Gateway RFF plastic. I have a bunch in different color and wear stage and none droop when you hold them even in warm temps.

Soft Zero is very very durable as well. It doesn't damage as easily as hard zero. If the soft zero ever warps for any reason, i just leave it upside down on a flat surface in my car in the sunlight (on a book or clipboard) and it's back to original shape.

Putting -- not good for push putting, it will warp and wobble from the force your palm exerts on it. Spin putting or a spin/push hybrid is great.

Approaching -- this is where the plastic shines. I approach and long putt with my Soft Zero almost exclusively (unless i'm using a zone). There is very little chance of a roll away because the disc just sits and stops.

KenTyburski 02-01-2014 02:14 PM

Nice appraisal.
 
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Originally Posted by jrawk (Post 2338304)
Soft zero is comparible to putter r-pro plastic, but i think it's more comparible to Gateway RFF plastic. I have a bunch in different color and wear stage and none droop when you hold them even in warm temps.

Soft Zero is very very durable as well. It doesn't damage as easily as hard zero. If the soft zero ever warps for any reason, i just leave it upside down on a flat surface in my car in the sunlight (on a book or clipboard) and it's back to original shape.

Putting -- not good for push putting, it will warp and wobble from the force your palm exerts on it. Spin putting or a spin/push hybrid is great.

Approaching -- this is where the plastic shines. I approach and long putt with my Soft Zero almost exclusively (unless i'm using a zone). There is very little chance of a roll away because the disc just sits and stops.

Thanks for the great feedback. I'm a spin/push hybrid (at least I would say I am). I might have to try these. I do love approaching with my R-Pro Rhynos for the same reason.

sloppydisc 02-01-2014 04:13 PM

Jrawk's approach technique sounds exactly like how I use Swans. Swans are just a little thinner, and less HSS. Pretty much same good plastic for settling down by a basket.

Kodachrome 02-24-2014 07:24 PM

oh, man. i don't even know what to do anymore.

i've got a putter dilemma again because i have problems with wizards releasing properly on drives. i snagged an opto, a ZH and a ZS pure along with several other putters and it was bliss again. i'd forgotten how wonderfully straight the opto pure is, and how neutral/understable the ZH is. really a 1-2 knockout, laser shots for drives and approaches.

i tried putting with them; that was hilarious. i couldn't hit jack. i may just drive/approach with pures and putt with wizards, but there are so many contenders - i bought a crapton of putters today. *sigh* i was doing so well resisting, too . . .

HiFi 02-24-2014 07:44 PM

I liked the TM2's for putting for a while, but decided it was a better driving putter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOjP0...ature=youtu.be

Broken Shoulder 02-24-2014 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Kodachrome (Post 2366822)
oh, man. i don't even know what to do anymore.

i've got a putter dilemma again because i have problems with wizards releasing properly on drives. i snagged an opto, a ZH and a ZS pure along with several other putters and it was bliss again. i'd forgotten how wonderfully straight the opto pure is, and how neutral/understable the ZH is. really a 1-2 knockout, laser shots for drives and approaches.

i tried putting with them; that was hilarious. i couldn't hit jack. i may just drive/approach with pures and putt with wizards, but there are so many contenders - i bought a crapton of putters today. *sigh* i was doing so well resisting, too . . .

No law against bagging two molds. :thmbup:

Kodachrome 02-24-2014 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Broken Shoulder (Post 2367029)
No law against bagging two molds. :thmbup:

haha, yeah but then i'd like to have something slightly OS as well. there goes the neighborhood. i've got a few options i am considering...

as far as the pure goes though, i certainly remember why i bagged them. both plastics are truly remarkable IMO. the opto never ceases to amaze me with how straight and far it goes; the zero hard always looks great on those long turnover lines and hyzerflips, super straight approaches.

a think a pure/envy driving combo would be great, but i have a lot of discs to try. i noticed right away while attempting to putt with the pure that it is MERCILESS to hyzer putters. it spits through so easily and i had a hard time ranging putts high/low as well. just sorta glides and then drops suddenly. so no matter what, if i use the pure again i am looking at 4 molds and 6 putters: zone, slightly OS, opto, zero hard, zero soft, putting putter.

that's just a lot of putters to justify, which is why the PA2 and mercy and warlock are all in contention.

i don't think i can argue the fact that i drive the best with the opto pure though. we will see; i have some more fieldwork to do tomorrow.

jrawk 02-24-2014 11:41 PM

Pures need that little bit of hyzer release when putting or they'll go squirrelly at low speeds.

sloppydisc 02-25-2014 08:19 AM

Inside the circle you should be able to putt with almost any disc. Stick with the Pure and give it more time. Maybe a month or two. Patience grasshopper. If it still doesn't click then bag two putters. Simple.

Broken Shoulder 02-25-2014 09:22 AM

I've finally solidified my putter lineup this winter after spending time with my new mediums on the practice basket.
Driving: Opto Pure and Champ Rhyno
Approach: Medium Pure
Putting: Soft and sometimes Medium Pure
I'll be carrying five putters, four of them Pures. One Opto, two Mediums, and one Soft. Come on spring.

RistoS 03-10-2014 02:20 PM

How would you rank the Pure stability wise between premium plastic lines?

Shooter14 05-27-2014 11:02 AM

Pure. Is. Money.


Fact.

Hyzer Ale 05-27-2014 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Shooter14 (Post 2466562)
Pure. Is. Money.


Fact.

Yes, it is. Love driving with the opto pure but like my zero hard pure even more from 150' and in. I have had so many good runs at the chains from the 50'-100' range that stay withing 20' when they don't hit anything. Maybe it is just me but the white zero hard is the best baseline plastic out there. It just feels different than the other colors.

Shooter14 05-28-2014 12:17 PM

I only have a Opto that I drive with, which flies dead straight and glides out like nobodies business, plus 2 yellow Zero Mediums that I putt with. I man dang, you can't beat a pure.

In a tourney this past weekend I hit about 135-140 ft upshot with one. It was so clean, just drifted right in there like it was on a mission.

I up with the Opto also, that's what I hit it with. My Zeros stay in the putter pocket and go from there to chains, and back. I love em. I've beat some nasty glide into one of em, and boy does it jump putt like a beaut.

I have a Gold Line on it's way, should have it by the end of the week. Stoked for it, I'll up with it, and keep the opto for driving.

The State Championships are this weekend and with my payout I'm planning on buying 2 black/smoke Zero Hards. THey've had em awhile and boy have I been eyeing them. Purdy discs.



Come on everyone! Let's hear how many/what plastics you carry and what you use them for!

bhadella 05-28-2014 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by bhadella (Post 2338089)
I putt/upshot with Zero Mediums over the Winter and drive/upshot with Optos.

My Opto is over a year old and still not flippy, just about the same stability as my first throws. Zero turn, slight fade (0, -1). I use it for driving and longer upshots that need a bit more power. The Opto has a nice slidey finish on hard surfaces (like all of my local Charlotte courses).

Zero Mediums are a nice mix of firm and grip for putting. Perfect for temps under 80 where you need good grip yet not putting a brick. These have a little bit of turn and slight fade. These are more inline with the "marketed" flight ratings of -1,1. When they touch the ground, they grip hard and stop on a dime. I know when we get into the Summer that I will switch over to Zero Hards for putting.

I still haven't switched over to Zero Hards yet. My Zero Mediums have been firm enough so far this summer. I've noticed my Zero Hards are deeper and come out a little higher/slower than my Zero Mediums. They definitely mold up differently from my Zero Mediums.

I do have a trashed Opto on the way to hopefully takeover my turnover driving putter duties from the PA4. My putters will be:

ESP Zone
Opto Pure x 2
Zero Medium x 1

mutteriwiritys 05-28-2014 01:19 PM

I bought an Opto Pure some time ago and I like it. It's stable and flies very well for me + it feels good in the hand (especially now when the little flashing has worn off). It's going to replace my Spike I guess..

Shooter14 05-28-2014 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by mutteriwiritys (Post 2467727)
I bought an Opto Pure some time ago and I like it. It's stable and flies very well for me + it feels good in the hand (especially now when the little flashing has worn off). It's going to replace my Spike I guess..

:thmbup:

tbird888 05-28-2014 02:05 PM

I carry one Opto for driving and approaching duties. When the weather turns to rain, I bag a TM2 instead for the extra grip. That's rare though as I don't throw in the rain very often.

DG_Before_Breakfast 05-29-2014 01:20 PM

I need a new Black Zero line Soft Pure! My usual DG shopping destination, Disc Nation, is low on Pures. Wondering if they are getting new ones or if anyone has a pointer to these Discs that have good Mojo for me? :p

bhadella 05-29-2014 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DG_Before_Breakfast (Post 2468769)
I need a new Black Zero line Soft Pure! My usual DG shopping destination, Disc Nation, is low on Pures. Wondering if they are getting new ones or if anyone has a pointer to these Discs that have good Mojo for me? :p

Disc Golf Center has some with free shipping:
http://www.discgolfcenter.com/main_d...=492&PPQT1=439


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