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SaROCaM 10-28-2020 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by RoDeO (Post 3649927)
Aye. All I know is that since I jave really focused on it I'm throwing farther more easily.

Under- and over-weight training has been proven to work.

Have seen it work in lifting, running/sprinting.

The use of weighted baseballs has been controversial but it works.

I have also tried it in the past for disc golf and it worked for me. Gained about 50' of distance one summer, threw my longest forehand throws ever.

SaROCaM 10-28-2020 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by RoDeO (Post 3649981)
Or, it could be that I just work hard at it. I think that if one is willing to study it out then work their butt off success is almost inevitable. Like the other morning when it was 0 degrees out, a bitter north wind, sun hadn't come up yet, I could barely see what I was doing and I'm asking myself "what kind of idiot practices his drives in this bitter cold that freezes the eyebrows?"

Consistent, hard work applied to a suboptimal program more often leads to better results than inconsistent, lazy effort applied to a more optimal program.

But consistent, hard work applied to a more optimal program more often yields better results than either of those.

What's the best program? The one you believe in and stick with.

RoDeO 10-28-2020 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by SaROCaM (Post 3649984)
Under- and over-weight training has been proven to work.

Have seen it work in lifting, running/sprinting.

The use of weighted baseballs has been controversial but it works.

I have also tried it in the past for disc golf and it worked for me. Gained about 50' of distance one summer, threw my longest forehand throws ever.

Yeah, we use to use under and overweight baseball's from time to time in baseball. We saw some good results.

RowingBoats 10-28-2020 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by SaROCaM (Post 3649984)
Under- and over-weight training has been proven to work.

Have seen it work in lifting, running/sprinting.

The use of weighted baseballs has been controversial but it works.

I have also tried it in the past for disc golf and it worked for me. Gained about 50' of distance one summer, threw my longest forehand throws ever.

The only studies I found showed over AND under weight baseball training to have no measurable effect. Do you have a source for this?

txmxer 10-29-2020 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by RoDeO (Post 3649637)
Velocity at release, backhand, is dependent entirely upon the rotational velocity of the torso around an axis.

One could certainly spin. The 100 yr old dude is basically spinning.

But normal throwers that you show videos of are not spinning about an axis. There are pivot pints and leverage, but itís not a spinning motion as such.

The goal of the throwing motion is to convert momentum to a force and linearly accelerate the disc.

The hip rotation is caused by follow through, not lead.

SaROCaM 10-29-2020 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by RowingBoats (Post 3650010)
The only studies I found showed over AND under weight baseball training to have no measurable effect. Do you have a source for this?

Here's a start:

Effects of General, Special, and Specific Resistance Training on Throwing Velocity in Baseball: A Brief Review (DeRenne et al, 2001)
Effects of Baseball Weighted Implement Training: A Brief Review (DeRenne et al, 2009)
Increasing Throwing Velocity (DeRenne, 1985)
Effects of Under-and Over-Weighted Implement Training and Pitching Velocity (1994)

RoDeO 10-29-2020 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by txmxer (Post 3650037)
One could certainly spin. The 100 yr old dude is basically spinning.

But normal throwers that you show videos of are not spinning about an axis. There are pivot pints and leverage, but it’s not a spinning motion as such.

The goal of the throwing motion is to convert momentum to a force and linearly accelerate the disc.

The hip rotation is caused by follow through, not lead.

I disagree. The backhand throw is all about rotating the body. The main distance in a backhand throw comes from a quick powerful rotation of the torso. The hip rotation leads the rotation of the torso and shoulders. There are guys out there who can bomb discs with the slowest x step on the planet. They aren't converting momentum into lateral shift to get distance. They are converting the rotational force of the hips, torso and shoulders to propel the disc. Adding more speed in the run-up is only slightly beneficial to distance.

oldmandiscer 10-29-2020 01:08 AM

I think the 360 throw is adding a ton more rotational velocity as well. Guess what, when performed properly it goes further. Also since we turn the shoulders as far back as we can in the backswing that is rotational as well. I would say it's both rational and linear. To what percent will vary by the throw and person.

I guess you could try throwing with no rotation but you won't throw it anywhere (like a putt).

txmxer 10-29-2020 02:32 AM

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Originally Posted by RoDeO (Post 3650045)
I disagree. The backhand throw is all about rotating the body. The main distance in a backhand throw comes from a quick powerful rotation of the torso. The hip rotation leads the rotation of the torso and shoulders. There are guys out there who can bomb discs with the slowest x step on the planet. They aren't converting momentum into lateral shift to get distance. They are converting the rotational force of the hips, torso and shoulders to propel the disc. Adding more speed in the run-up is only slightly beneficial to distance.


You understand neither physics nor kinesiology.

RandyC 10-29-2020 03:01 AM

Maybe you should post a video of your throw and we can compare it to a professional player. If you are against all odds on the right path as you say, your form should look very similiar if not identical ?


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