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azplaya25 10-16-2020 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by RoDeO (Post 3644773)
Here's Sidewinder in his door frame drill. Watch his hips turn as the weight transitions from rear to front foot while his pull and rotation of the upper body lags behind that rotation of the hips. This is what I'm talking about. Your weight doesn't fully shift to the front before the hips turn and you pull. The hips turn during weight shift and the upper body lags behind a bit creating that twist or torque and the it pulls through powerfully.

https://i.makeagif.com/media/10-16-2020/i53RrN.gif

This is the last time Iím responding to you, life is to short to spend time trying to explain thing to people who refuse to open their minds and consider other ideas. The gif you posted where you are rotating your hips into the brace is exactly the problem Iíve been trying to fix for the past 6 months. That is not what sidewinder is doing. It may look the same to you but it is completely different. Look at his body positioning, the disc is still behind his body and he already has all of his weight on his front leg. In the gif you posted, your weight hasnít fully shifted until your hand is in front of your body. Thatís a big difference! Go to this lawnmower you are talking about, grab the string, and pull on it with all your weight on your back leg. Now put all your weight on your front leg and try it again. Surely you can feel the difference.

RoDeO 10-16-2020 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by azplaya25 (Post 3644794)
This is the last time Iím responding to you, life is to short to spend time trying to explain thing to people who refuse to open their minds and consider other ideas. The gif you posted where you are rotating your hips into the brace is exactly the problem Iíve been trying to fix for the past 6 months. That is not what sidewinder is doing. It may look the same to you but it is completely different. Look at his body positioning, the disc is still behind his body and he already has all of his weight on his front leg. In the gif you posted, your weight hasnít fully shifted until your hand is in front of your body. Thatís a big difference! Go to this lawnmower you are talking about, grab the string, and pull on it with all your weight on your back leg. Now put all your weight on your front leg and try it again. Surely you can feel the difference.

Im trying to illustrate the point of how your hips turn or engage before the weight shift. In Sidewinders throw his weight shifts just after the front heel comes down. At that precise moment, like I've always said, his hips are already half way through their total rotation. The upper body lags behind in irs rotation.

azplaya25 10-16-2020 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by RoDeO (Post 3644800)
Im trying to illustrate the point of how your hips turn or engage before the weight shift. In Sidewinders throw his weight shifts just after the front heel comes down. At that precise moment, like I've always said, his hips are already half way through their total rotation. The upper body lags behind in irs rotation.

Alright I lied, one more response...you seem to be minimizing the impact of what you believe and what you are promoting to others. This is a fundamental part of throwing correctly. The gif you posted where you trying to demonstrate how your hips rotate into the weight shift - that is completely wrong and bad form. It’s clear that you don’t understand the concept of “shifting from behind”, but it’s one of the most important parts of this whole thing. That concept is what I said I’ve had trouble with in my form thread. I’ve played sports my whole life and never understood the idea of shifting from behind. I finally understand it now but getting a feel for it after shifting incorrectly for so long is really difficult. You are not shifting from behind, you are shifting from in front of you. Until you understand the difference I really think you are doing this entire community an injustice by giving form advice.

sidewinder22 10-16-2020 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by RoDeO (Post 3644800)
Im trying to illustrate the point of how your hips turn or engage before the weight shift. In Sidewinders throw his weight shifts just after the front heel comes down. At that precise moment, like I've always said, his hips are already half way through their total rotation. The upper body lags behind in irs rotation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQMV3oHs6Ug#t=1m25s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvvF6eW-by8#t=4m

RandyC 10-16-2020 03:19 PM

Tbh itīs a correct sequence there what you are doing, very fluid and smooth. Itīs just not a very good way to throw. As azplaya stated you are shifting from the front which is why your shoulders are flying open and SW has his shoulders back at heel plant.
Essentially this is what you are doing https://image.freepik.com/free-photo...e_1112-381.jpg

RoDeO 10-16-2020 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by RandyC (Post 3644821)
Tbh itīs a correct sequence there what you are doing, very fluid and smooth. Itīs just not a very good way to throw. As azplaya stated you are shifting from the front which is why your shoulders are flying open and SW has his shoulders back at heel plant.
Essentially this is what you are doing https://image.freepik.com/free-photo...e_1112-381.jpg

Well, you are way off on how you think I throw.
If that were the case I shouldn't be throwing as far as I am after 3 months.

sidewinder22 10-16-2020 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by RoDeO (Post 3644619)
Humm.. I watched it again and didn't see it. It looks to me like he shifts his weight to the front leg and then he pulls the door with his arm and the shoulders lead rotation before the hips.

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Originally Posted by RoDeO (Post 3644648)
Yeah I understand what you are saying- hips rotate the shoulders. In the video of the swivel door he is pulling the door with his arms and his shoulders turn first.

I think you need some better glasses.

RandyC 10-16-2020 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by RoDeO (Post 3644826)
Well, you are way off on how you think I throw.
If that were the case I shouldn't be throwing as far as I am after 3 months.

It is really hard to fight against anatomy, no matter how you look at it. What is "far" after 3 months?

RoDeO 10-16-2020 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by azplaya25 (Post 3644816)
Alright I lied, one more response...you seem to be minimizing the impact of what you believe and what you are promoting to others. This is a fundamental part of throwing correctly. The gif you posted where you trying to demonstrate how your hips rotate into the weight shift - that is completely wrong and bad form. Itís clear that you donít understand the concept of ďshifting from behindĒ, but itís one of the most important parts of this whole thing. That concept is what I said Iíve had trouble with in my form thread. Iíve played sports my whole life and never understood the idea of shifting from behind. I finally understand it now but getting a feel for it after shifting incorrectly for so long is really difficult. You are not shifting from behind, you are shifting from in front of you. Until you understand the difference I really think you are doing this entire community an injustice by giving form advice.

Okay, let's be honest. You say you've been olaying for 10 years or so? What is your average drive distance?
Im not making a contest or anything, just saying that you seem pretty athletic and that after 10 years you should probably be driving 400-450 feet pretty easily. But you are not. You yourself have admitted to some fundamental timing issues and not understanding weight transfer, hips, brace, etc.
I've been playing 3 months and understand those things and I believe it shows in the distance I'm getting so far.

RoDeO 10-16-2020 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by RandyC (Post 3644829)
It is really hard to fight against anatomy, no matter how you look at it. What is "far" after 3 months?

"Far" and "as far" are two different relative concepts.
I didn't say O was throwing "far". I said "as far". Like this morning, I was working on my hyzer flips and getting them out to 330-360. I had one that I really cranked on and it flipped up but then just turned its whole flight and right when it hit the ground it was just starting to want to fight out of the turn. I wished I gor it up higher to get a s flight. I only got that one up 6-8 feet off the ground though. It went 365 feet. I dont know how far it would have gone had I given it more height but maybe another 20-40 feet is fair.

I'm hitting 350 feet pretty regular now when warmed up. I think that's pretty good distance for my age (47) and how long I've been playing (3 1/2 months).


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