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disco40 05-16-2020 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by JRW III (Post 3587297)
While not everything should open up to full capacity, we are going to need to find the "new normal".

Idiots are hellbent on messing that up, though. I don't have a better solution or anything, but no matter what measures are in place, people will break them as if it was some holy or patriotic mission to defy knowledge and decency. Our best hope is the warm weather saving our sorry asses from worse healthcare outcomes and worse economic problems.

DiscGolfCraig 05-16-2020 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ThrowaEnvy (Post 3586956)

So...I am wearing it correctly. :clap:

BogeyNoMore 05-16-2020 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by JRW III (Post 3587297)
As a society, we are going to need to find a balance between the economy and safety risk. To "stay at home" until a vaccine is available for mass distribution would be a worse destruction to our society than to completely open up and let the virus run its course. While not everything should open up to full capacity, we are going to need to find the "new normal".

I completely agree with this, and ultimately I don't see how anybody can argue against this.

The tricky part will be figuring out what that balance is.

Perhaps more difficult still, will be as agreeing what that balance should be as a nation. It seems that we've lost the ability to overlook our differences and find common ground. We don't even "agree to disagree" so much as just see the opposing view as simply wrong, if not completely crazy.

If anyone cares to respond to this, it really belongs in the Outbreak 2020 thread.

https://www.dgcoursereview.com/forum...d.php?t=136400

BogeyNoMore 05-16-2020 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DiscGolfCraig (Post 3587310)
So...I am wearing it correctly. :clap:

Your underwear, or your mask?

Monocacy 05-16-2020 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by JRW III (Post 3587297)
As a society, we are going to need to find a balance between the economy and safety risk.

Agreed

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Originally Posted by JRW III (Post 3587297)
To "stay at home" until a vaccine is available for mass distribution would be a worse destruction to our society than to completely open up and let the virus run its course.

Fortunately there are options besides “stay at home” and “let the virus run its course.”

The best option, and one that many smaller countries have done very effectively, is to use testing, tracing, and supported isolation to control and suppress the pandemic.

From what I have read, the damage to the economy from shutdowns is far greater than the cost of doing testing, tracing, and isolation properly.

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Originally Posted by JRW III (Post 3587297)
While not everything should open up to full capacity, we are going to need to find the "new normal".

Agreed. Currently, most testing is done for symptomatic patients. Asymptomatic people are not being tested, even though research shows that they are responsible for spreading > 50% of infections.

Shockingly, people with known exposures are not being tested unless symptomatic. I know a person who was in contact with someone who tested positive (< 6-feet apart for more than 10 minutes with no mask). The doctor refused write a note authorizing testing unless the person was showing symptoms.

This. Is. Madness.

So I will believe that we are taking this seriously when we have enough tests to identify new infections; enough people trained to do contact tracing; and support for people to stay home when they are sick. That is how other countries have broken the chain of new infections so that they can start opening their economies safely.

Believing that this pandemic will go away without putting in the hard work is indulging in magical thinking.

Hampstead 05-16-2020 10:14 PM

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Ess-dog 05-16-2020 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Monocacy (Post 3587355)
This. Is. Madness.

So I will believe that we are taking this seriously when we have enough tests to identify new infections; enough people trained to do contact tracing; and support for people to stay home when they are sick. That is how other countries have broken the chain of new infections so that they can start opening their economies safely.

Believing that this pandemic will go away without putting in the hard work is indulging in magical thinking.

If we want our economy to function it can't be on the faith that numbers and risks are exaggerated. I am on the cusp of several hundred people coming back to the building I've been working in while new cases and deaths are on a 25 and 50% uptick. In the grand scheme of things we are only talking about 2500 people seriously ill and another 10000 or so asymptomatic in a city of over a million. But as my co-workers head back to fill the tight confines of our outdated building I'd feel better knowing we could rapidly trace actual infections rather than just saying stay home 14 days to the people we determine had contact with someone that becomes visibly Ill. Better would be mandatory rapid testing on every Friday to clear you for Monday.

Monocacy 05-16-2020 11:48 PM

Ess-dog I hope your employer is at least following the CDC guidance for businesses.

CDC Guidance for Businesses and Employers for COVID-19 (clicky)

I wonder whether group screening could be an option in a workplace like yours?

Coronavirus Test Shortages Trigger a New Strategy: Group Screening (clicky)

BogeyNoMore 05-17-2020 12:22 AM

I posted this in one of the political threads, but it fits just as well here.

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Originally Posted by BogeyNoMore (Post 3587453)
Masks, gloves, social distancing, and following cleaning/disinfecting protocols to cut down on the spread of the virus, are the keys to responsibly rebooting society, and the economy.

I say rebooting rather than restarting, because the "new normal" is like going to be running new software.

A lot of people are going to hate it at first because we're going to have to figure out new ways to do things we used to to do easily before. It's going to take some getting used to, but we can do it.

What's more, we have to do it.


ThrowaEnvy 05-17-2020 02:04 AM

Damn I worry about you folks down there, I'm watching the numbers and this ****s scary. We are still relatively untouched where I am.. Only 2428 in BC, but Quebec is over 40000.. Seems like the cases double every month. Same thing here with unconfirmed but assumed cases.. The word is don't go to the doctor/ hospital unless you are in distress.. No testy, no county.

This is our long weekend and it scares the crap out of me, so many people I don't know. So many people that follow me into sheds and corner me as I'm trying to keep my distance... it's amazing a global city like Vancouver still hasn't exploded, it's weird being in a tourist town and totally despising them haha.

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