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RowingBoats 10-28-2020 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by RoDeO (Post 3649529)
By "wider" do you mean the disc is further away from your body when it's in the power pocket?

I will have to start filming myself soon, not totally sure. Mostly the angle of my upper arm from the torso, that angle has increased.

I am curious if I am wrong about this. Does anyone else agree that the power pocket is about bringing mass 'in' to facilitate more spin? To me this concept doesn't enter into my swing, that I can tell at least.

bsammons 10-28-2020 12:04 PM

I don’t know how many times this can be said.

Rotation is NOT the end goal. The point of the x step is to leverage your lower body with gravity against the disc and arm.

If rotation was the goal, then we would not see an X step-we would see them running 90 degrees away from the target, planting, and then all that linear velocity transformed into rotational velocity, ejecting the disc out - just like a slingshot using gravity in space.

The whole point of the forward run-up and x step is to get the hips in position to be leveraged against the disc.

Again, think about pulling a post out of the ground. That’s the feel. We aren’t trying to be ice skaters, we’re trying to be lumberjacks/Olympic hammer throwers and leverage the body against the disc.

bsammons 10-28-2020 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by RowingBoats (Post 3649543)
I will have to start filming myself soon, not totally sure. Mostly the angle of my upper arm from the torso, that angle has increased.

I am curious if I am wrong about this. Does anyone else agree that the power pocket is about bringing mass 'in' to facilitate more spin? To me this concept doesn't enter into my swing, that I can tell at least.

The power pocket isn’t about bringing the disc in. It’s simply keeping tension between the disc and the body with the shoulder muscles and lower body, and waiting to engage the muscles in the arm until the point where you can maximize their effectiveness and leverage/torque.

RowingBoats 10-28-2020 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by bsammons (Post 3649553)
The power pocket isnít about bringing the disc in. Itís simply keeping tension on the body with the shoulder muscles, and waiting to engage the muscles in the arm until the point where y can maximize their effectiveness and leverage/torque.

That's how it feels to me as well, just wanted to make sure I am not off base.

Rodeo, how do you square your thinking with the form you are trying to shoehorn it into? Why AREN'T you doing like a 720 twist, spinning as fast as possible then ejecting it, if you are correct?

RoDeO 10-28-2020 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by SaROCaM (Post 3649532)
Let's see a video.

https://youtu.be/GeIMGsFXLCU

RoDeO 10-28-2020 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by RowingBoats (Post 3649543)
I will have to start filming myself soon, not totally sure. Mostly the angle of my upper arm from the torso, that angle has increased.

I am curious if I am wrong about this. Does anyone else agree that the power pocket is about bringing mass 'in' to facilitate more spin? To me this concept doesn't enter into my swing, that I can tell at least.

Eagle Mcmahon may be the best at this in my opinion. He gets that disc in so tight to his body in the power pocket. It often hits his body it's so close. What allows him to get so close is his angle of his torso. That increases the ability of the torso to spin faster which in turn ejects the disc faster. Try this, no joke-
Hold your arm straight out from your body and try to turn and throw with a straight out arm from your body. You will feel a lot of resistance in trying to move that greater mass further away from your body. That resistance is slowing your rotation down. As you bring the arm and disc in closer to the axis of rotation you decrease the mass and in turn it speeds up rotation. Distance is wholly dependent upon rotational speed of the axis.

RoDeO 10-28-2020 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by bsammons (Post 3649552)
I donít know how many times this can be said.

Rotation is NOT the end goal. The point of the x step is to leverage your lower body with gravity against the disc and arm.

If rotation was the goal, then we would not see an X step-we would see them running 90 degrees away from the target, planting, and then all that linear velocity transformed into rotational velocity, ejecting the disc out - just like a slingshot using gravity in space.

The whole point of the forward run-up and x step is to get the hips in position to be leveraged against the disc.

Again, think about pulling a post out of the ground. Thatís the feel. We arenít trying to be ice skaters, weíre trying to be lumberjacks/Olympic hammer throwers and leverage the body against the disc.

If you were all arming it then yes, you are correct. But we aren't pulling the disc with our arm, we are pulling it with a torso that is rotating around an axis and using the arm as a whip. That's different altogether.

txmxer 10-28-2020 12:36 PM

Distance is primarily dependent on velocity at the point of release.

If you follow the disc looking down from above, it moves in a generally straight path from start to finish.

SaROCaM 10-28-2020 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by RoDeO (Post 3649562)

Try again.

RoDeO 10-28-2020 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by RowingBoats (Post 3649558)
That's how it feels to me as well, just wanted to make sure I am not off base.

Rodeo, how do you square your thinking with the form you are trying to shoehorn it into? Why AREN'T you doing like a 720 twist, spinning as fast as possible then ejecting it, if you are correct?

Ejecting the disc back hand is about accelerating the disc around an axis into release. The body is quite sufficient to rotate up to 360 degrees to do that sufficiently. Don't some max distance throwers spin around 360 degrees?


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