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RoDeO 10-07-2020 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by RandyC (Post 3641013)

I would just bet that the torso rotation sequence is different in this throw than your x step.

RandyC 10-07-2020 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by RoDeO (Post 3641027)
I would just bet that the torso rotation sequence is different in this throw than your x step.

What is a torso rotation sequence?

sidewinder22 10-07-2020 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by RoDeO (Post 3640918)
That's a good drill Paige is doing but that's just laterally shifting back and forth. It's not what actually happens when she throws. As she shifts laterally her hips are already rotating.

You are contradicting yourself.

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Originally Posted by RoDeO (Post 3640918)
The lead hip coming up signifies strong brace or full weight shift. If we freeze it precisely at that moment her hips are already substantially open thus proving that shift into strong brace isnt what initiates hip rotation.

I agree that bracing doesn't initiate hip rotation. Making the lateral move off the rear foot initiates hip rotation.

RoDeO 10-07-2020 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by RandyC (Post 3641046)
What is a torso rotation sequence?

For example, in your one leg throw the sequence is shoulders rotate first, then torso, then hips. I would bet it's the opposite in your x step throw which would be hips turn, then torso, then shoulders.

RoDeO 10-07-2020 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by sidewinder22 (Post 3641048)
You are contradicting yourself.


I agree that bracing doesn't initiate hip rotation. Making the lateral move off the rear foot initiates hip rotation.

Yes, that lateral shift also creates turn. That's what I'm saying that rotation begins before front foot plant.

RandyC 10-07-2020 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by RoDeO (Post 3641071)
For example, in your one leg throw the sequence is shoulders rotate first, then torso, then hips. I would bet it's the opposite in your x step throw which would be hips turn, then torso, then shoulders.

I know that shoulders can internally and externally rotate, you can try to twist your torso but I wouldnt call it rotation. So you are saying I am externally rotating my shoulder which then twists my torso and then my hips follow. Just to clarify?

HyzerUniBomber 10-07-2020 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by RoDeO (Post 3641074)
Yes, that lateral shift also creates turn. That's what I'm saying that rotation begins before front foot plant.

It does not in ANY effective way start before the plant.

The act of planting the brace foot, weighting it, engages the femur in the lead hip - which causes your hips to open.





16s in... it shows everything that you need to know. Hips back in the backswing, toe down, heel down, weighting opens the hips.

CAN you throw by spinning your hips open? Sure can. It will cause you to yank discs all over the place and generate substantially less power than putting your momentum right down the trajectory line - getting into a good stacked posture and just letting physics do all of the work.

Having some good results in what you consider is a good shot is fine, but as Tiger said, "How bad is your bad?" That's a really important concept in golf. Everybody's good is good, but how bad is your bad? Ask yourself why you're holding onto this? I'm guessing you're afraid to commit to a swing change that is going to make you think you'll lose power or accuracy or both.

If you don't want to retool your swing, that's fine - and you're in good company. There's many players that will gladly just throw with their form and call it a day. This group has worked tirelessly to teach and learn from the best golf, baseball, disc golf athletes in the world.

You're not preaching anything new. We've seen this play a number of times... many number of times, but the proof is always in the pudding.

RoDeO 10-07-2020 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by HyzerUniBomber (Post 3641098)
It does not in ANY effective way start before the plant.

The act of planting the brace foot, weighting it, engages the femur in the lead hip - which causes your hips to open.





16s in... it shows everything that you need to know. Hips back in the backswing, toe down, heel down, weighting opens the hips.

CAN you throw by spinning your hips open? Sure can. It will cause you to yank discs all over the place and generate substantially less power than putting your momentum right down the trajectory line - getting into a good stacked posture and just letting physics do all of the work.

Having some good results in what you consider is a good shot is fine, but as Tiger said, "How bad is your bad?" That's a really important concept in golf. Everybody's good is good, but how bad is your bad? Ask yourself why you're holding onto this? I'm guessing you're afraid to commit to a swing change that is going to make you think you'll lose power or accuracy or both.

If you don't want to retool your swing, that's fine - and you're in good company. There's many players that will gladly just throw with their form and call it a day. This group has worked tirelessly to teach and learn from the best golf, baseball, disc golf athletes in the world.

You're not preaching anything new. We've seen this play a number of times... many number of times, but the proof is always in the pudding.

The plant certainly helps but the initial rotation begins before the brace.

RoDeO 10-07-2020 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by RandyC (Post 3641095)
I know that shoulders can internally and externally rotate, you can try to twist your torso but I wouldnt call it rotation. So you are saying I am externally rotating my shoulder which then twists my torso and then my hips follow. Just to clarify?

In your one leg drill your shoulders begin rotating open first followed by your torso and then lastly your hips. You can see it clearly in the frame by frame. Nothing wrong with an all arm shot, there's times when you need to have a strong arm. It's just opposite the mechanics needed when driving off the tee for max distance. When you x step that sequence starts in the hips. That's what you do in your x step.

SaROCaM 10-07-2020 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by RoDeO (Post 3640960)
I honestly believe that mentally I'm quite refined in how the shot needs to work, where the power comes from, etc.

A lot of people honestly believe a lot of things.

The body of evidence tells the truth.

For example, if you think the Feldberg video is completely wrong, then you simply do not understand how the throw works.

If you look at the kinetic sequence as demonstrated by world record distance thrower David Wiggins Jr. you will (should) see what Feldberg is talking about.


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