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seedlings 02-08-2022 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Mamba Maniac (Post 3788897)
The Astronaut has a 23mm rim which is a huge jump up from the Essence. It's rated as 12 6 -4 1. Having said that the high turn does make it a little forgiving for less powerful throwers but it flies in a huge S curve as opposed to the Essence's very straight flight. I love the Essence for that. The biggest problem with the new plastics is the inability to make discs that weigh much less than 170g. Also the Active line is transparent which makes it difficult to find your discs.

I agree, please bring back S-Line!

Once you get higher than the Essence’s 8 speed, every disc fades because of the wider rim. In order to get a straight line flight from a higher speed disc, it has to be an understable disc on hyzer flip. All the under stability is used to flip the disc up (and probably over slightly) to reduce fade. The Astronaut does this, the Mentor does this. There’s still more fade than the Essence because of rim width. IMO Essence is a special disc. I have a 165g that is flippier than a 174g. Both fight back at the end, but the 174 just goes straight where the 165 goes up, over, and glides in turn first.

DiscT 02-09-2022 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by seedlings (Post 3788914)
Once you get higher than the Essence’s 8 speed, every disc fades because of the wider rim. In order to get a straight line flight from a higher speed disc, it has to be an understable disc on hyzer flip. All the under stability is used to flip the disc up (and probably over slightly) to reduce fade. The Astronaut does this, the Mentor does this. There’s still more fade than the Essence because of rim width. IMO Essence is a special disc. I have a 165g that is flippier than a 174g. Both fight back at the end, but the 174 just goes straight where the 165 goes up, over, and glides in turn first.

When you say the Essence is a “special disc,” do you mean more utility or more rare as in a manufacturer’s lineup of under stable fairways? Or something else entirely? I was curious about that comment. I just got my first Essence in a MB so this might help me experiment with it and see what role it plays in my bag. Thanks!

seedlings 02-09-2022 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by DiscT (Post 3788939)
When you say the Essence is a “special disc,” do you mean more utility or more rare as in a manufacturer’s lineup of under stable fairways? Or something else entirely? I was curious about that comment. I just got my first Essence in a MB so this might help me experiment with it and see what role it plays in my bag. Thanks!

I mean there isn’t another disc that flies like the Essence. It’s not a Leopard3, not an FD, not a Saint or Underworld. Unique.

Mamba Maniac 02-09-2022 08:12 AM

Wish I could get my hands on a 165g Essence! I haven't seen one below 170g in ages.

seedlings 02-09-2022 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Mamba Maniac (Post 3788949)
Wish I could get my hands on a 165g Essence! I haven't seen one below 170g in ages.

DiscBaron still has some blue 166g. That’s where I got mine. I had a 10% coupon though. Shipping is included with the higher price.
https://www.discbaron.com/Discmania-.../db1065182.htm

klodkrawler05 02-09-2022 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Mamba Maniac (Post 3788949)
Wish I could get my hands on a 165g Essence! I haven't seen one below 170g in ages.

FWIW a local shop has a few listed in the 166-168g range (this was the absolute lightest I saw at 166.7g)
https://www.discbaron.com/Discmania-.../db1065184.htm

The discmania website has some of the Nate Perkins essence left in the 165-169 range also, but those fly a tick more stable than your typical Neo essence.

Flick Maniac 02-09-2022 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by seedlings (Post 3788879)
The Mentor is basically an 11 speed Essence.

YMMV but what I have thrown and heard people say is not that at all. More like a 11 speed Firebird, at least in Active Premium they are notoriously overstable and not matching the flight numbers. This may or may not apply more to the first run of premium Mentors though.

Agarner14 02-09-2022 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Flick Maniac (Post 3788958)
YMMV but what I have thrown and heard people say is not that at all. More like a 11 speed Firebird, at least in Active Premium they are notoriously overstable and not matching the flight numbers. This may or may not apply more to the first run of premium Mentors though.

I had never thrown either the Astronaut or the Mentor until the Black Mystery Box came out. The astronaut might be working its way into my bag, I do think my arm speed is a little lacking to really utilize it fully. The Mentor is flying very overstable for me, maybe it is just my disc, but I'm not really digging it at all. The active premium plastic is also not super to my liking. Seems quite stiff.

I think the 10 speed slot is a sweet spot for those arms where the 7/8 speed fairway drivers are a little too slow and flippy. I have an ESP scorch that is filling this slot right now, but I'd love to have something in the Neo plastic.

Jolt 02-11-2022 10:54 AM

Eagle said in his "Iron Samurai 3 video" that the pink is flat and the blue is domey. . but he did not say anything about what the flat vs dome did for the flight. . do the fly the same?

seedlings 02-11-2022 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Jolt (Post 3789465)
Eagle said in his "Iron Samurai 3 video" that the pink is flat and the blue is domey. . but he did not say anything about what the flat vs dome did for the flight. . do the fly the same?

Dome will be more stable with a larger cross section. Possibly also more glide.


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