So what happens now with Avery's dual sponsorship?

Simon’s new video has C-line AND S-line DD3. So S-line plastic is part of the remake.

Well, absent a full clarification from Innova or Discmania, we can’t know for sure.

The DM original line was made with molds owned by Innova made to specifications also owned by Innova. We can speculate that Innova would not have sold the molds or the specs, but we can’t know for sure. But that seems the most likely.

And let’s be clear here, it’s the specifications for the mold that really matter. The actual injection molds won’t last forever. Maybe jakebake has a sense of how many discs could be produced in the intended life span of an industrial scale injection mold, but whatever it is, I doubt it’s a decade and a half worth of discs.

Or, conversely, you could say that once the actual original mold pieces that made the “original” originals, that those particular discs can never really be made again. Because the new mold will be different in some way. But that also goes for various lots of plastic that go into certain runs, etc. At the end of the day, the ongoing life of the P2 depends on a specification to make a mold that produces a disc that looks, feels and flies like a P2 is expected to.

So the most likely thing to have happened is that DM developed their own mold specifications doing their level best to produce a disc that is as close as possible to the “ideal” P2. Given how often different runs from the same molds are slightly different, that’s really not all that rigorous of a specification.

Excited for Discmania's future with today's announcements, but good lord $35.99 + shipping for two baseline putters is wild. K3 Reko's are currently $14/per, for a Swedish-made baseline comparison.

Can't wait to feel up an MD3 in this fancy Italian plastic :p

will you be making anymore of these?

Without knowing how the mold was originally built and the number of shots, it's impossible to say. However, I used to work on molds that were originally built in the 80's. Built and maintained right, they last longer than you would think. And it's not like they are making 10 million discs a year.

Lat 64's Zero/BT is better than any of them.

Thought the same thing, so here’s my question for you…

Who’s the sucker: the person who buys 2 putters for $40+, or the person who passes on them?!

Im not saying they would advertise them that way. I think that they will name them some new name, people will find out what DM mold it is, everyone will know that the new "Flying Squirrel" fairway driver is actually an FD, and then people will buy them knowing they are getting rebranded FD's.

Where does it say they will be 35.99?

It got out out in a DM email:

Tomorrow marks the second day of forever,

Day one brought the world the news it had always hoped to hear, Discmania MFG. Your support has been tremendous today and the passionate feedback throughout the years has led us to this defining moment. Tomorrow brings the first taste of what the creative minds at Discmania are truly capable of, and we're just getting started.

Available 9am Mountain time Tuesday July 22. Limit one order (set of 2) per customer.

About the release:
Prototype D-Line P2 (2 pack) $35.99
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It's not fancy unless you pronounce it with long "I"

I·tal·ian (iˈtalyən) = not fancy
Eye·tal·ian (īˈtalyən) = fancy


... and if you wanna be really fancy, you use an aristocrat grip (i.e. pinky extended out and away from the disc).

I believe he confirmed that he had moved to strictly DM as the touring team manager a couple years back on a podcast or one of Simon's vlogs. Innova took AJ's signature off the Star TeeBird around that time.

Thanks! I can see why there is a mark up on these honestly since they are Prototypes and (I assume) relatively limited. It is still quite high for some baseline plastic though, and a far cry from 8.99 or 9.99 for an Innova made P2. But hey, they have to pay for those fancy new injection molding machines, right? :clap:

Prototype D-Line P2 (2 pack) $35.99?

Ok suckers, line up. The next disc fad has begun

I wonder if I'll start seeing more of these over Lunas on the course.

I'm gonna keep using my Original Original P2s :D

I'm pretty sure that is just for the first run edition. I saw somewhere that their baseline is going to be like $13 or $14 each I think

Yeah, I think I saw 12.99 somewhere for the stock runs. Its not great, but its not horrible either. We also don't know how durable to plastic is yet. (Not to mention, are they going to make "p-line" plastic or just have the d-line stiff be the durable version? hmm).

Plastic prices in general have gone up. I think the days of $9 base plastic putters and $13 champ plastic drivers is behind us.

I thought this too, but then I remembered Geo Links are 8.99.

So is OO (Original Originals) the appropriate way to refer to the Innova molder discs now? Seems like a good abbreviation to me. OO P2, OO FD, etc. :D

Got my P2’s ordered, looked like about 8,500 sets available?

Ordered mine as well. Should be a quick $300k for Discmania.

Edit: looks like they might be sold out in 14 minutes?

I'm getting a 404 Page Not Found for the US site - am I the only one? It's been like this since before 11AM EST.

Yep. It was there. I ordered. Got confirmation email. Checked this thread, returned to DM site and they were gone. Banner is gone too. Might be able to order from Europe if you’re desperate.

got mine, but will put in collection, or sell.
xd for me baby!

Not desperate at all, just curious. I've already got too man P2s, but I am excited to feel this new plastic blend. Are you seeing the 404 now as well?

I imagine I'll be referring to them as either Innova FDs or Swedish FDs, or possibly 2021 FDs?

Should be tough for scalpers to turn a profit on these. 8,500 pairs plus we're going to have a stock run soon. I passed when I saw the cost with shipping.

Funny enough, the 404 is gone and I can now see that they are sold out! I'll stop trying to troubleshoot now lol

Seeing 404 too. It did that before the exact second of release. Then the link went to let you add to cart, then I was in a checkout waiting line, then I ordered and checked confirmation email. I came here, went back and it was back to 404 within 14 minutes.

Perfect, this is the least confusing way.

I am appreciating how smoothly the last couple drops have gone with Discmania. Anybody else notice this? Since they don't have such limited stock coming from Innova, and its only going to get better (I hope). Imagine if stock discs were ALWAYS available on their site?

They sold out 8500 2pacs in 14min?!?, how is that possible?

Hype and fanboys?

It hurt me so bad to hit complete purchase looking at the total.

I had preauthorized WAF, so I was ok.

And yet.... (I got a pair too)

These are honestly a piece of disc golf history (to me anyway) since they are the first DM MFG produced discs released to the public. Pretty awesome to have! :clap:

maybe.
but kind of cool to have Discmania's first solo disc, and it says PROTOTYPE.
time will tell though...