I was kinda just messing with ya.

Haha, I know thats why I answered with throw it higher which I always forget to do.

That might be something they achieve a bit better with Streamline one day. The Gyro™ is responsible for late stability on these discs I think. No complaints about the Wave 155 now that I got a plasma one.. Theory- I get why people throw it seems decent.

But.. The Signal, Orbital and Catalyst - I had high hopes for those in understable slots, got a couple heavy signals, a 155 / 166 Orbital and the Catalyst. I don't know how to describe it except goofy. I guess speed dependent is accurate, there's a point where they break over especially downhill and I'm never sure where that is. I had a lot of fun with the 155 Orbital I figured the 166 would be just right for flippy but it's way more stable than my 155 until it hits a touch of wind.

Well and the Vertex too.. I really like the mold I feel like the ideal weight is probably 176g.. I gotta 174 that flies like a Spin and my 179 is like a Tangent... pretty big difference for 5g I guess one has a dome though too

There is a hole on my local course that's almost as downhill as it is long. I think it's listed in the ball park of 200', and the drop is almost vertical. The green at the bottom is on flat ground. I've taken to throwing putter grenades to the green. Works well!

Use whatever works for ya. I don't use understable stuff as much as most folks since I flick about as well as I backhand, but my Insanity, beat Axis, beat Crave and Excite fill those roles for me nicely.

If I didn't have those beat discs I could grab a Theory or Tangent, and an Inspire and be happy with them.

As far as S shaped flights, I've had my longest, prettiest ones ever with Mayhems.

This may be in your sig or something Mike, but what is your bag right now? Reading through we have a lot of somewhat similar opinions.

Hmm. I don't have any problem turning my Spin, Signal, or Orbital (on those occasions I pull it out). I also don't have issues getting S flights from the Signal and Orbital; don't want them from the Spin. I don't get as much glide from the Signal as from my Relay, certainly. The Orbital seems to glide as much as my Wave (I don't throw those discs much).

One spends 2 years beating a Crave into perfection and Idle Wild eats it up :thmbdown: ... I have to have something in the interim.

I can throw LHBH almost a far as I can RHBH, although not as accurate. I don't really flick as much at all, except to get out of the shule. I do hyzerflip both hands and S turn discs are not optional for that... or at least not for me.

So yes, there are lots of holes

Just shot a new one today as a matter of fact. I'll post the link later tonight. It's all listed in my sig but in the video I explain a bit more about which molds I carry multiples of and all that good stuff.

I know the frustration. My dumbass had to go for a 3 on Renny Gold #18 recently and I ended up losing one of my oldest Mayhems that was nicely seasoned. I'd rather lose a brand new disc any day.

did i miss a post about you getting injured i feel out of the loop