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RoDeO 10-21-2020 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by RowingBoats (Post 3646751)
There are only two explanations for this thread continuing.

1.) You are still wrong, fundamentally, about the kinetic chain. Rotation of the hips before the brace is not part of the chain, period.

2.) You are trying to make a point that is beyond pedantic, and has already been addressed numerous times anyways.

I just don't get it.

I stopped the GIF at the moment she comes into brace. At that point, what direction are her hips?

https://i.makeagif.com/media/10-21-2020/_qOZTN.gif

RowingBoats 10-21-2020 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by RoDeO (Post 3646825)
I stopped the GIF at the moment she comes into brace. At that point, what direction are her hips?

https://i.makeagif.com/media/10-21-2020/_qOZTN.gif

The powerful hip rotation is happening after the brace and has nothing to do with initiating rotation from the rear hip socket. She is extending her knee into the brace, that is what you see.

RowingBoats 10-21-2020 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by RowingBoats (Post 3646827)
The powerful hip rotation is happening after the brace and has nothing to do with initiating rotation from the rear hip socket. She is extending her knee into the brace, that is what you see.

Look at how her rear foot is entirely de-weighted before she extends the front knee.

I get it, you can see this wrong and believe it is something its not. I see that clear as day, but she is absolutely NOT 'spinning' into the brace. She is much, much closer to doing the opposite of what you are describing than you realize.

RoDeO 10-21-2020 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by rhatton1 (Post 3646772)
Serious question, I'm not trying to be a D*ck here but do you have an old injury on your left side? This looks scarily unbalanced and as though you're trying to protect a knee from further injury?

As Sidewinder notes you are tipping over the top, you're not doing this in any kind of athletic motion.

Try jumping side to side quickly with your knees hanging under your body, basically just use the lower legs to bounce, not upper legs, immediate return back and forth. Not waiting and trying to balance on the other leg just bouncing back and forth.

Now stagger your legs slightly so your left toes are in line with your right heel. keep bouncing, keep just using your lower legs. If you do it a lot and start to pay attention to the feel you should feel the rear hip coming in (rotating) as you bounce back off the front foot.

A side benefit of this it will force your body into better balance (in all your videos your upper body is swinging out of control) , it will also hopefully help you start to feel some other stuff. Maybe.

Tried it, didn't work. One simply can't jump back and forth without doing something else to initiate hip rotation.

RowingBoats 10-21-2020 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by RoDeO (Post 3646831)
Tried it, didn't work. One simply can't jump back and forth without doing something else to initiate hip rotation.

What is this something else you are getting at then? What initiates hip rotation for you? My guess is that you will say you push off the back leg to shove your rear hip forward. Is this incorrect?

SaROCaM 10-21-2020 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by RoDeO (Post 3646825)
I stopped the GIF at the moment she comes into brace. At that point, what direction are her hips?

https://i.makeagif.com/media/10-21-2020/_qOZTN.gif

The GIF goes past the moment of brace to include front leg extension.

Here is a more accurate moment of brace, at the moment the heel hits the ground:

https://www.dgcoursereview.com/forum...ictureid=39079

You seem to have made up a term you call "strong brace" in order to include more of the motion that happens after brace. Bracing takes place while the swinging takes place, so in order to look at the swing, one must start at the beginning of brace.

This is why I posted the K-Vest analysis earlier. It more objectively measures the moment of heel strike. Your GIF seems to have been created with an agenda in mind, rather than to find when the actual brace happens.

oldmandiscer 10-21-2020 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by RowingBoats (Post 3646833)
What is this something else you are getting at then? What initiates hip rotation for you? My guess is that you will say you push off the back leg to shove your rear hip forward. Is this incorrect?

The ground initiates the force. It's almost simultaneous but you have to use the ground to move so it has to come from the feet to move the hips. Duh?

RoDeO 10-21-2020 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by SaROCaM (Post 3646834)
The GIF goes past the moment of brace to include front leg extension.

Here is a more accurate moment of brace, at the moment the heel hits the ground:

https://www.dgcoursereview.com/forum...ictureid=39079

You seem to have made up a term you call "strong brace" in order to include more of the motion that happens after brace. Bracing takes place while the swinging takes place, so in order to look at the swing, one must start at the beginning of brace.

This is why I posted the K-Vest analysis earlier. It more objectively measures the moment of heel strike. Your GIF seems to have been created with an agenda in mind, rather than to find when the actual brace happens.

Your stoppage doesn't show strong brace. I call it "strong brace" because that is the moment when the weight has fully shifted and you have max pressure under your foot. In your stopped point her front foot isn't even down all the way yet. Her front foot is on the inside edge. In mine it stops where you can see the whole foot firmly flat on the ground.

SaROCaM 10-21-2020 06:20 PM

Here's one way to feel rotation from leg extension:

Stand with feet about shoulder width apart and pointed forward, knees and hips slightly flexed/bent, torso centered. Basically a quarter- to half-squat, athletic position. Keeping weight centered, extend one leg while keeping the other leg bent in the same manner as the starting position. Due to the extension of the leg, the hips will rotate in that direction. Remember to keep weight centered; one can prevent rotation but must then tip in the direction of the flexed leg.

SaROCaM 10-21-2020 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by RoDeO (Post 3646839)
Your stoppage doesn't show strong brace. I call it "strong brace" because that is the moment when the weight has fully shifted and you have max pressure under your foot. In your stopped point her front foot isn't even down all the way yet. Her front foot is on the inside edge. In mine it stops where you can see the whole foot firmly flat on the ground.

Do you need the whole foot completely flat on the ground to make an athletic move? When a running back cuts and pushes off the ground to change direction, does their whole foot have to be firmly flat on the ground? When a skier makes a quick turn, do they have to have the entire ski flat on the snow surface? When a hockey player or ice skater makes a move, do they have to have the entire blade flat on the ice?

Are we not talking about dynamic movement?


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