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ian.w 12-26-2021 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Jolt (Post 3776853)
Looking at Eagles Video about the Design i still don´t really understand Why Tomas Ekström of Lat64 designs Dismanias discs.. . It´s an Discmania Original designed by Lat64?!

Not only does Lat design their discs, they also make them using Lat plastic.

Jolt 12-26-2021 03:06 AM

I know Lat64 makes the Evo line and helped Discmania set up the new factory, , , i just didn´t think Tomas would design the Original line.

And looking at that video it did not really feel like Eagle did that much "Designing his own disc" more told Tomas to make one.

Flick Maniac 12-26-2021 03:26 AM

Would you rather give him some clay to work with? AutoCAD?

I dont know where you are trying to get with this but I have no qualms about the arrangement. The guy is a seasoned disc designer in a business relationship with DM.

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Originally Posted by ian.w (Post 3776906)
Not only does Lat design their discs, they also make them using Lat plastic.

Partly true. Evolution line only, and not 1:1 same plastic as Lat64. Eventually they aim to bring Evolution line in-house too, i.e. Discmania manufactured.

ian.w 12-26-2021 03:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Flick Maniac (Post 3776913)
Partly true. Evolution line only, and not 1:1 same plastic as Lat64. Eventually they aim to bring Evolution line in-house too, i.e. Discmania manufactured.

In a world dominated by social media, where are the quick videos of discmania “manufacturing” their own discs? Not a single tour, or clip of discs actually being made. Weird that they are so proud of making their own molds now but all of us are relying on a single guy just saying that it’s happening. I don’t believe it for a second. “In house” is inside the latitude factory, until Jussi proves otherwise.

wolfhaley 12-26-2021 03:43 AM

I'm sure Eagle "designed" the Rainmaker as much as Simon did the Tilt. They describe what they'd like it to be. Then sell, sell, sell it regardless of how it turned out. That's the job. They do it very well.

Jolt 12-26-2021 04:53 AM

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Would you rather give him some clay to work with? AutoCAD?

I dont know where you are trying to get with this but I have no qualms about the arrangement. The guy is a seasoned disc designer in a business relationship with DM.
I would have been fun to see Eagle come to Sweden and test out a few designs, , but ok hard to do now.
But the Video was not that well made, Eagle didn´t say much, sure the call was MUCH longer and he could have made a better edit.

I´m not picking on Discmania i like them. .but from a customers standpoint i see Lat64 and Discmania as competitors.
But then again i don´t get why Innova makes Infinites disc. . or why MVP makes TSA . .Gateway makes AGL and so on
Does the designer get a cut on every sold disc or does he just get a sum for the design?

Can it be tha "new molds sell" and a single company can´t have a endless amount of molds. . .so they start new companies to spread out the molds?

TurnedOver 12-26-2021 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Flick Maniac (Post 3776913)
Would you rather give him some clay to work with?

This is a brilliant idea! They should absolutely post a video of Eagle making his own disc out of clay.

wims 12-26-2021 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by krooster (Post 3776898)
Still hoping for some word on a P1 or P1x. I don't care which one but I hope at least one of them is coming back at some point!

If you want the P1, why not just throw the Aviar P&A. It's the exact same mold afaik

Skervoy 12-26-2021 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Jolt (Post 3776916)
I would have been fun to see Eagle come to Sweden and test out a few designs, , but ok hard to do now.
But the Video was not that well made, Eagle didn´t say much, sure the call was MUCH longer and he could have made a better edit.

I´m not picking on Discmania i like them. .but from a customers standpoint i see Lat64 and Discmania as competitors.
But then again i don´t get why Innova makes Infinites disc. . or why MVP makes TSA . .Gateway makes AGL and so on
Does the designer get a cut on every sold disc or does he just get a sum for the design?

Can it be tha "new molds sell" and a single company can´t have a endless amount of molds. . .so they start new companies to spread out the molds?



Startup costs to even get one disc out to a shop is quite big so it is much easier to buy "capacities" with someone already up and running. This is quite common also in the bike industry were Giant makes a substantial portion of all other brands bikes. Many brands design in house and outsource production and some just slap a sticker on a generic batch and call it their own.

Without a dubt Lat64 get compensation for everything they do for DM and who knows where the lines are drawn but in the end DM is a customer to Lat64.

Jolt 12-27-2021 01:02 AM

Wonder how many molds Tomas made in 2021? All the Royal line, and DD new premium line....and all the Disc for Discmania

seedlings 12-27-2021 10:12 AM

It’s been 7 minutes since the early link emailed for the Black Mystery Boxes with Rainmakers, and they aren’t sold out. Either DM had more available or there is less demand?

DiscT 12-27-2021 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by seedlings (Post 3777025)
It’s been 7 minutes since the early link emailed for the Black Mystery Boxes with Rainmakers, and they aren’t sold out. Either DM had more available or there is less demand?

Two prototype putters in one year/season doesn’t have a lot of allure. This box ends on a bit of a flat note, and I think if they would’ve gone glow Iron Samurai md3, sky god, or an FD variant it would have been different. I also think many are underwhelmed with the Black Friday allotment. I’m sure a full year of production will yield more epic options for next year (they’re probably sitting on CB3 misprints as we speak!)

Happy new year, Discmaniacs!!

robdeforge 12-27-2021 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by seedlings (Post 3777025)
It’s been 7 minutes since the early link emailed for the Black Mystery Boxes with Rainmakers, and they aren’t sold out. Either DM had more available or there is less demand?

still in stock as of 11:11 AM eastern, so my guess is more supply and slightly less demand as pointed out by poster above me

Agarner14 12-27-2021 11:54 AM

It has to be demand related.

The black friday boxes were underwhelming for many that are used to the "mystery element". All it took was a quick look on reddit to see that most people were getting 1-2 x-outs, an enigma, 2-3 "special edition" evolution line discs, genius/rockstar, special stamped instinct, shogun/evolution misprint, plus the MD1. That is literally 99% of the box contents I saw posted online (either youtube unboxings or reddit). Personally, because I throw a lot of evolution line discs I was happy with my box, but I can see how a lot of people would back down from buying another. The active line discs are really the main downside for me.

It's interesting to me that DM would put a lot of production power into the mystery box season, especially on a rebuilding year when disc golf is growing so quickly. They could have maybe just done one mystery box or none and instead put all that production effort into releasing new evolution molds (Splice, mutant, etc) or put the cash into production/development of DM originals. I know that the mystery boxes are an important part of the brand, but I think more people want dependable disc supply and introduction of new molds than they care about a missed season of mystery boxes.

DM needs to be vigilant that they don't lose the hype surrounding the boxes. They clearly followed a pattern this year when it comes to box content. I get the special stamps/plastics, but I mean most boxes had the same general pattern. If DM wants to re-build the hype they need to cut the active line discs out of the boxes for future releases and actually introduce a degree of mystery from one box to the next. Get some player signatures in there and focus more on the evolution line than the active line.

That being said, I still snagged a Black Box about an hour ago.....

Curious to hear from others on this.

rogue5ster 12-27-2021 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Agarner14 (Post 3777045)
It has to be demand related.

The black friday boxes were underwhelming for many that are used to the "mystery element". All it took was a quick look on reddit to see that most people were getting 1-2 x-outs, an enigma, 2-3 "special edition" evolution line discs, genius/rockstar, special stamped instinct, shogun/evolution misprint, plus the MD1. That is literally 99% of the box contents I saw posted online (either youtube unboxings or reddit). Personally, because I throw a lot of evolution line discs I was happy with my box, but I can see how a lot of people would back down from buying another. The active line discs are really the main downside for me.

It's interesting to me that DM would put a lot of production power into the mystery box season, especially on a rebuilding year when disc golf is growing so quickly. They could have maybe just done one mystery box or none and instead put all that production effort into releasing new evolution molds (Splice, mutant, etc) or put the cash into production/development of DM originals. I know that the mystery boxes are an important part of the brand, but I think more people want dependable disc supply and introduction of new molds than they care about a missed season of mystery boxes.

DM needs to be vigilant that they don't lose the hype surrounding the boxes. They clearly followed a pattern this year when it comes to box content. I get the special stamps/plastics, but I mean most boxes had the same general pattern. If DM wants to re-build the hype they need to cut the active line discs out of the boxes for future releases and actually introduce a degree of mystery from one box to the next. Get some player signatures in there and focus more on the evolution line than the active line.

That being said, I still snagged a Black Box about an hour ago.....

Curious to hear from others on this.

I agree with everything you said and passed on this box. My brother and I both got a Black Friday box and they were exactly the same apart from one disc.

seedlings 12-27-2021 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Agarner14 (Post 3777045)
It has to be demand related.

The black friday boxes were underwhelming for many that are used to the "mystery element". All it took was a quick look on reddit to see that most people were getting 1-2 x-outs, an enigma, 2-3 "special edition" evolution line discs, genius/rockstar, special stamped instinct, shogun/evolution misprint, plus the MD1. That is literally 99% of the box contents I saw posted online (either youtube unboxings or reddit). Personally, because I throw a lot of evolution line discs I was happy with my box, but I can see how a lot of people would back down from buying another. The active line discs are really the main downside for me.

It's interesting to me that DM would put a lot of production power into the mystery box season, especially on a rebuilding year when disc golf is growing so quickly. They could have maybe just done one mystery box or none and instead put all that production effort into releasing new evolution molds (Splice, mutant, etc) or put the cash into production/development of DM originals. I know that the mystery boxes are an important part of the brand, but I think more people want dependable disc supply and introduction of new molds than they care about a missed season of mystery boxes.

DM needs to be vigilant that they don't lose the hype surrounding the boxes. They clearly followed a pattern this year when it comes to box content. I get the special stamps/plastics, but I mean most boxes had the same general pattern. If DM wants to re-build the hype they need to cut the active line discs out of the boxes for future releases and actually introduce a degree of mystery from one box to the next. Get some player signatures in there and focus more on the evolution line than the active line.

That being said, I still snagged a Black Box about an hour ago.....

Curious to hear from others on this.

Regarding variety and mystery, they said these black boxes will also be very similar to one another, and discs were loaded into boxes were before any Evo discs were being made by DM machines (instead of lat), “ when the production of Mystery Box products was set up, we didn't have our own factory yet...” Which is odd because there are brand new Rainmakers. Are Rainmakers made on Lat64 or DM machines?

I still bought one because I missed the last box.

ian.w 12-27-2021 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by seedlings (Post 3777049)
Are Rainmakers made on Lat64 or DM machines?

Same machines bro, stop being silly.

BillFleming 12-27-2021 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by seedlings (Post 3777025)
It’s been 7 minutes since the early link emailed for the Black Mystery Boxes with Rainmakers, and they aren’t sold out. Either DM had more available or there is less demand?

People are really particular about their putters and many won't even consider changing. So a Black Mystery Box where the "excitement" is about a putter? I'm not surprised there isn't a big demand.

Also...it's the holidays...so why spend big bucks for a MB where the main draw is a putter? A truly unique disc like the Tilt....that's different.

wims 12-27-2021 12:46 PM

Putters are the most exciting discs in disc golf, what are you newbies on about

seedlings 12-27-2021 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ian.w (Post 3777056)
Same machines bro, stop being silly.

I’m winking with you on that. However, since Discmania parses out the production (and plastics), and uses ‘dedicated production’ as a reason for sameness in these boxes, I am giving them an opportunity to further parse it out in their own words.

ian.w 12-27-2021 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by seedlings (Post 3777061)
I’m winking with you on that. However, since Discmania parses out the production (and plastics), and uses ‘dedicated production’ as a reason for sameness in these boxes, I am giving them an opportunity to further parse it out in their own words.

Fair enough.

ray1970 12-27-2021 03:30 PM

If there was a chance at getting cool stuff in the mystery boxes I’d be game. No way I want a box filled with Yikun or Trilogy stuff.

My last mystery box from a year or two ago had a P-line P2, an MD5, a Royal Rage FD2 misprint, a P3X, a PD2, and other cool stuff.

seedlings 12-27-2021 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ray1970 (Post 3777080)
If there was a chance at getting cool stuff in the mystery boxes I’d be game. No way I want a box filled with Yikun or Trilogy stuff.

My last mystery box from a year or two ago had a P-line P2, an MD5, a Royal Rage FD2 misprint, a P3X, a PD2, and other cool stuff.

That was a box filled with Innova stuff?

discerdoo 12-27-2021 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by seedlings (Post 3777085)
That was a box filled with Innova stuff?

My favorite DM stuff has always had Innova tooling.

dehaas 12-27-2021 11:57 PM

Am I the only one who thinks it was a wise move for them to include two different flexes of the putter?

People will more than likely prefer one over the other and want backups/practice putters.

DiscT 12-28-2021 09:56 AM

Funny how you don’t want one until they’re sold out…

seedlings 12-28-2021 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by DiscT (Post 3777188)
Funny how you don’t want one until they’re sold out…

Took a long time compared to the red box.

DiscT 12-28-2021 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by seedlings (Post 3777195)
Took a long time compared to the red box.

The difference was crazy. I’m super curious how they stack up. It’ll be funny if the black is epic compared to the red, but my prediction is that next year will be a gem field. Can’t wait to see DM go full send in 2022!!

Discmania_Support 01-04-2022 09:58 AM

Discmania Support Reply
 
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Originally Posted by ian.w (Post 3776906)
Not only does Lat design their discs, they also make them using Lat plastic.

Evolution line perhaps but certainly not the Originals plastic.

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Originally Posted by Jolt (Post 3776911)
I know Lat64 makes the Evo line and helped Discmania set up the new factory, , , i just didn´t think Tomas would design the Original line.

And looking at that video it did not really feel like Eagle did that much "Designing his own disc" more told Tomas to make one.

Some of this is partially true. Companies occasionally use outside marketing help, design work, I.T., etc. It's not all that uncommon. However, that does not mean we say "Hey Thomas, make us some discs" and he says, "Okay!". All things are created to our specifications and intentions. He is an expert designer and when it comes to especially unique things like the Mutant, naturally he was a big help with something so creative. Our resources are best spent instead in the areas of our business that we are very good at.

Rainmaker topic, Eagle ran through his design wishes and several prototypes over the course of some months. His dream is able to come to life through his knowledge as a skilled player and presenting that idea to the design team to make it a reality. Allen Iverson certainly didn't make his own shoes by hand.

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Originally Posted by ian.w (Post 3776914)
In a world dominated by social media, where are the quick videos of discmania “manufacturing” their own discs? Not a single tour, or clip of discs actually being made. Weird that they are so proud of making their own molds now but all of us are relying on a single guy just saying that it’s happening. I don’t believe it for a second. “In house” is inside the latitude factory, until Jussi proves otherwise.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKV2_-f8KXo

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Originally Posted by ian.w (Post 3777056)
Same machines bro, stop being silly.

Same type of machine for sure, but your thinking is incorrect. These are made in our factory to our specifications. Machines that mold Evolution line as well are currently in transition over to this factory as well. Most of which has already been accomplished.

ian.w 01-04-2022 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Discmania_Support (Post 3778806)

Very conclusive video clip, I mean commercial. I still don’t believe any of it. You guys are expert marketers, that’s for sure.

wims 01-04-2022 10:21 AM

You are asking him to show video of the machines and he's showing you a machine producing discmania discs and it even has discmania branding, but you still dont want to believe it. To me it seems like you're not going to accept any evidence at all, no matter how strong

Flick Maniac 01-04-2022 10:23 AM

Thats odd how you want to keep believing that. But lets agree to different truths, as the saying goes or whatever :)

ian.w 01-04-2022 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by wims (Post 3778814)
You are asking him to show video of the machines and he's showing you a machine producing discmania discs and it even has discmania branding, but you still dont want to believe it. To me it seems like you're not going to accept any evidence at all, no matter how strong

I mean, it has a discmania sticker. So I guess it’s settled. It’s a commercial of Jussi with a blurry background. I honestly don’t believe anything they say. Which is a shame because I like two of the new new molds. The plastic feels great. I shouldn’t have derailed the thread for all the people who love them. My bad folks. Hopefully they prove me wrong one day. But this video wasn’t it.

jakebake91 01-04-2022 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Discmania_Support (Post 3778806)
Rainmaker topic, Eagle ran through his design wishes and several prototypes over the course of some months. His dream is able to come to life through his knowledge as a skilled player and presenting that idea to the design team to make it a reality. Allen Iverson certainly didn't make his own shoes by hand.



I like the shoe comparison. Also appreciate how you laid out Eagles design input.

I have a background in plastic injection molding. I've been in a toolroom actually building molds. It's long been a peeve of mine when some random person "designs" anything. The people, like Tomas, that design molds are INCREDIBLY skilled individuals with very particular skill sets. No one off the street, pro athlete or not, is actually "designing" anything. At best, they are advisers.

DiscT 01-04-2022 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Discmania_Support (Post 3778806)
Evolution line perhaps but certainly not the Originals plastic.



Some of this is partially true. Companies occasionally use outside marketing help, design work, I.T., etc. It's not all that uncommon. However, that does not mean we say "Hey Thomas, make us some discs" and he says, "Okay!". All things are created to our specifications and intentions. He is an expert designer and when it comes to especially unique things like the Mutant, naturally he was a big help with something so creative. Our resources are best spent instead in the areas of our business that we are very good at.

Rainmaker topic, Eagle ran through his design wishes and several prototypes over the course of some months. His dream is able to come to life through his knowledge as a skilled player and presenting that idea to the design team to make it a reality. Allen Iverson certainly didn't make his own shoes by hand.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKV2_-f8KXo



Same type of machine for sure, but your thinking is incorrect. These are made in our factory to our specifications. Machines that mold Evolution line as well are currently in transition over to this factory as well. Most of which has already been accomplished.



I just want to say that I LOVE that Discmania has a support person interacting with us on this thread. I appreciate and value the direct, real-time answers and insight you bring to this space. Thank you!

Now back to the fun stuff…when will we see glow plastic in the form of an Iron Samurai and/or Sky God?? It’s hard to wait for the productions updates; give us something to look forward to at the beginning of 2022!

Discmania_Support 01-04-2022 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DiscT (Post 3778855)
I just want to say that I LOVE that Discmania has a support person interacting with us on this thread. I appreciate and value the direct, real-time answers and insight you bring to this space. Thank you!

Now back to the fun stuff…when will we see glow plastic in the form of an Iron Samurai and/or Sky God?? It’s hard to wait for the productions updates; give us something to look forward to at the beginning of 2022!

Hey thanks! It's fun interacting with everyone in our own little world here. Sometimes we haven't managed to stay on top of communication as much as we'd like to but it should be pretty consistent moving forward, maybe a few times a week. We pride ourselves in being open with customers and giving them the most honest answers we have to offer.

Iron Samurai and Sky God, one will be glow for sure :). Both to come in early 2022 as well. Hopefully we can push out a production update no later than 1-2 weeks from now.

seedlings 01-04-2022 02:58 PM

Did Discmania anticipate the new Innova Fairway Driver and Power Disc production?

DiscT 01-04-2022 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by seedlings (Post 3778921)
Did Discmania anticipate the new Innova Fairway Driver and Power Disc production?

Are you referring to the Dark Rebel? Ask, what’s the power disc production?

ray1970 01-04-2022 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by seedlings (Post 3778921)
Did Discmania anticipate the new Innova Fairway Driver and Power Disc production?


Technically, the “new” disc is the Fairway Disc. Not Fairway Driver.

klodkrawler05 01-05-2022 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by DiscT (Post 3778940)
Are you referring to the Dark Rebel? Ask, what’s the power disc production?

Innova released the "phantom sword aka the original power disc" this past weekend.


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