Particle has more turn than the Envy, just a harder fade. If that is what you want, then it's the correct disc for you. I think it just went OOP though... double check me on that last part.

Yeah I wasn't a fan of the Particle. It really wasn't much different than an Atom or Envy. It was just Less consistent. It sometimes would go TOO STARIGHT and sometimes have a lil too much fade, it didn't resist turn that great so the fade was all dependent on your finesse. Atom or Stabilizer now and I don't have those worries anymore.

Ya. Though OOP.

The Entropy has been on my purchase list for the same reason. The Stabilizer just doesn't feel as good FH as the Envy and I think the dumpiness of the Entropy will complement the Envy better for my game.

When I bagged my Stabilizer, I found myself using it most for straight to fade BH shots, like a workhorse mid. It was basically a slower Matrix or Alias in terms of flight/role.

They OOP'd the Particle so you probably shouldn't bother trying it.


Oops... I guess I should have read the last page first.:D

Since you haven't been around the MVP threads and if you hadn't heard, they killed a bunch of molds including the original mid line up and several discs lost a plastic type or two... Here's the announcement with the list of OOPs...

https://mvpdiscsports.com/news/updat...-discs-lineup/

Thanks for reposting that. I was looking for it the other day. I had forgotten that over half my bag went oop.....

I really ride the Matrix, Entropy, and Envy pretty heavy on most courses. I'm 95% RHBH.

Did you try the Deflector? I find the Entropy to have a similar flight, but slower and therefore more shapeable. I like the shape way better than Deflector. I throw the Entropy for placement shots, mid-range and approach flex shots, etc. I also use it for utility shots - junk lies and the like. I'm trying to learn how to forehand roll-it. I've got one hole locally thats a beastly hard 275' 90 degree dog leg right in the woods. Most players RHFH it. I RHBH anny the Entropy and it just fights perfectly all the way to the pin.

That really would not bother me. Putters don't wear fast on our Bermuda covered courses. I may pick one up if I place an order soon.

you easily could snag one and if you like it there are still many online and in stores I'm sure - :thmbup:

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I'm bagging the Deflector now and really trying to find uses for it but I'm just not gelling with the flight. I play a lot of woods golf and often have to throw a straddle out of the rough FH flex shot and the Deflector is just hard to dial in for this. It doesn't flex out of an anny as well as I think it should considering how overstable it flies when flat or hyzer. So I keep trying to throw it on the slightest anny to get a good flex line and it's just tricky finding that sweet spot. This isn't making it very useful for utility shots. If I play a round or two with basically just it I might be able to figure it out but it's just not intuitive to me right now. I'm used to throwing an A2, Anvil or Justice for these shots.