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seedlings 10-20-2020 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by RoDeO (Post 3646408)
His hips turn or begin to turn toward the target just before he comes into strong brace, yes.

The neat thing about that video is his hips are wrapped by the bottom of his jacket. The hips do not rotate on a spinal axis.

bsammons 10-20-2020 10:04 PM

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1Pa...r0AqKlXo60S0r1

It’s not letting me embed from photobucket anymore but there’s the photo in google Drive.

Yes that is me, and yes that’s the exactly feeling I have when throwing my best, wheeled off 450-500+. I’ve got it recorded if you don’t think it’s the same thing

RoDeO 10-20-2020 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by seedlings (Post 3646410)
The neat thing about that video is his hips are wrapped by the bottom of his jacket. The hips do not rotate on a spinal axis.

They are rotating.

RoDeO 10-20-2020 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by bsammons (Post 3646409)
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1Pa...r0AqKlXo60S0r1
Hope that worked.
I am pulling that post out of the ground. Well, at least trying to. That’s what the hips do-they’re used as a counterweight to pull. There is no spinning, there is no firing. It’s tough when you’re watching the pros because it’s very difficult to distinguish cause vs effect. Hip rotation is an effect-when you pull like this, and the disc is accelerated out, the whole body rotates. The cause of the rotation is using the hips as a counterweight as exhibited by the leftmost arrow. That’s what the throw feels like-and the arm gets slung very, very quickly as shown by the down most arrow.

The rear leg drives into foot plant, the rear leg driving forward is causing the hips to begin to rotate just before brace. As brace occurs you have maximum hip to shoulder separation. The hips have rotated whereas the shoulders haven't yet at that point. That is what powers the torso to come around or turn/rotate powerfully.

discerdoo 10-20-2020 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by RoDeO (Post 3646413)
The rear leg drives into foot plant, the rear leg driving forward is causing the hips to begin to rotate just before brace. As brace occurs you have maximum hip to shoulder separation. The hips have rotated whereas the shoulders haven't yet at that point. That is what powers the torso to come around or turn/rotate powerfully.

Roadayo, just remember. It's not a lie....if you believe it.

seedlings 10-20-2020 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by RoDeO (Post 3646412)
They are rotating.

Lol... so how many degrees of rotation do you see?

https://i.makeagif.com/media/10-21-2020/_s6qlw.gif

https://www.scienceabc.com/wp-conten...attaphongS.jpg

RoDeO 10-20-2020 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by discerdoo (Post 3646415)
Roadayo, just remember. It's not a lie....if you believe it.

It's comforting yo me to believe in something that is actually true.

SaROCaM 10-20-2020 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by RoDeO (Post 3646382)
May be possible but it never happens in disc golf and rarely happens in baseball.

You've seen every disc golf throw ever? You've catalogued every baseball swing ever?

"With the availability of 3D technology like K-Vest, we can now measure and see exact body positions throughout the swing—in real time."

Human perception can be flawed. You are pitting your own observational ability against technology that measures in real time without any agenda.

Paul Nyman: “We are only capable of seeing what we want to see.”

Here is all we know for sure: "Your" approach has you throwing 350'. The "conventional" approach has multiple throwers at 450', even 500'+. People have tried your approach and failed to progress. Will "your" approach lead to you throwing as far as the "conventional" throwers? Will you be the one that succeeds where others have failed? Maybe, maybe not. Time will tell. The point is that at this time it is unproven. Given that, how can you be so dismissive of what is proven to work for many people? Why label things that are proven to work as "bad advice?"

RoDeO 10-20-2020 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by seedlings (Post 3646417)

A few degrees in those millisecond two frames. You do realize he isn't into his strong brace yet dont you? To be fair you would have to play it clear into his strong brace.

seedlings 10-20-2020 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by RoDeO (Post 3646420)
A few degrees in those millisecond two frames. You do realize he isn't into his strong brace yet dont you? To be fair you would have to play it clear into his strong brace.

Heel touches last frame of the gif, and that’s when the hips start to rotate... his femurs rotate inside the hips to give forward momentum- now, forward momentum is from back foot to front foot, and that’s the movement you see, then as the heel plants, the hips THEN rotate around the lead femur. They can’t rotate around the lead femur until the weight is off the back femur.


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