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seedlings 03-17-2022 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DiscT (Post 3797650)
Fair to say that Innova has a monopoly on plastic as they were one of the first in the game? Importing Italian plastic only to export those discs to the U.S. is not cheap.

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Originally Posted by fishballer06 (Post 3797685)
Innova is now charging $18-19 for stock Champ/Star discs, so the price hike has been universal.

DM could probably save money and use ch1nese plastic. Oh, hey- anyone know where Innova sources their plastic?

Moonshine 03-18-2022 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by seedlings (Post 3797706)
DM could probably save money and use ch1nese plastic. Oh, hey- anyone know where Innova sources their plastic?

I mean they do source the Active Line from China and it is cheaper.

wolfhaley 03-18-2022 03:27 AM

Bunch of plastic racists on these boards nowadays ;)

seedlings 03-18-2022 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by wolfhaley (Post 3797793)
Bunch of plastic racists on these boards nowadays ;)

Iím only saying DM could make them cheaper if they wanted, lol

Moonshine 03-18-2022 01:37 PM

I've seen a few places the air transport from Europe to America is the main driver of these cost increases. I would imagine the prices will come down a bit, but still be higher than Innova/Discraft, once Discmania catches up on production and gets a better handle on the shipping process.

BillFleming 03-18-2022 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Moonshine (Post 3797857)
I've seen a few places the air transport from Europe to America is the main driver of these cost increases. I would imagine the prices will come down a bit, but still be higher than Innova/Discraft, once Discmania catches up on production and gets a better handle on the shipping process.

I recall DM saying something about that (somewhere in this thread maybe) and that once they can count on shipping by sea the prices will come down.

But....maybe they won't. I mean, if players are paying the current prices and discs are selling, why lower the price?

Moonshine 03-18-2022 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by BillFleming (Post 3797868)
I recall DM saying something about that (somewhere in this thread maybe) and that once they can count on shipping by sea the prices will come down.

But....maybe they won't. I mean, if players are paying the current prices and discs are selling, why lower the price?

Certainly possible. Eventually the rest of the market will catch up to whatever price they set.

Discmania_Support 03-21-2022 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DiscJunkie (Post 3791882)
Iím surprised that nobody is looking at DMís latest releases and price points from the economics of player sponsorship.
Eagle is one of the top/elite disc golfers around and DM needs to keep him, I think, to remain relevant in todayís market.
That means DM needs to get $$ in Eagleís pocketÖ
Eagle can reasonably expect to be compensated at Paul and Rickyís level, because he wins, has a following and he moves plastic!
So the Rainmakers and IS3s are very much benefiting Eagle, as they should. DM has spent a lot of money getting the factory up and running, so these releases are intended to keep Eagle compensated while they get their supply chain issues ironed out.
It all makes perfect sense.
Jussi is no dummyÖ

You have been niced by Discmania Support :)

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Originally Posted by burger0014 (Post 3792925)
and when will rainmakers be available?

Lots are being made right now, you're going to love them! ETA in the next couple months or so but we'll keep you posted

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Originally Posted by B The V (Post 3795516)
@discmania_support any hints as to what's next after the fd, mutant, splice drops?

Sky God will certainly be among the first of the upcoming releases for sure. Rainmaker as well

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Originally Posted by seedlings (Post 3795538)
+1 hey Discmania, If you want to bump the Envy out of my bag, make a premium plastic P2.

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Originally Posted by DiscT (Post 3795669)
Iím TRYING to shape a Discmania-only bag this season, but itís not easy with the production holes and availability (totally my choice, I know. Not complaining. Just something fun Iím trying to work through).

But I ainít gonna lie, listening to Eric Oakley reference the Imperial Eagles of old while describing the new glow P-blend Alpaca that is coming out soon makes it vvveeerrrryyyy tempting.

Imitation is the best form of flattery ;)

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Originally Posted by DiscT (Post 3795792)
Do yaíll think DM will ever bring back April Jewels? Now Iím just daydreaming.

April Jewels will definitely return but it's not likely to happen this time around. We want to make sure it's a treat and have already begun planning for 2023

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Originally Posted by DiscT (Post 3796337)
I scored a neo Tactic from the mystery box, and although itís sweet, I canít replace it easily. I agree with you those two discs Iím Neo would be awesome. Premium Logic would be epic!

You just might get your wish. It won't be a full production release but we've got some tricks up our sleeve

Discmania_Support 03-21-2022 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by krooster (Post 3797161)
The FD has been super inconsistent for a fairway driver, in my experience. The first couple I got many years back, with the original jackal stamp, were definitely -1 turn 1 fade. Discmania was marketing them as the best beginner driver and I think that claim was reasonable

Later on they were more like 0 turn and up to 2 fade, this includes both the swirly run they said was overstable and a later regular run.

I wanted to keep throwing the FD, but had to switch to the River because of this.

Definitely true. However, we make them ourselves now so the inconsistencies of the past are not likely to remain in the future.

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Originally Posted by seedlings (Post 3797225)
Are online retailers limited to the same release TIME as the Discmania website? I know they canít sell until the date, but didnít know about time.

Technically yes, definitely. This allows all retailers a fair chance at productive sales at the same time. If people were allowed to battle one another for the earliest release, that causes problems. Anyone can release something later in the day, though.

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Originally Posted by seedlings (Post 3797805)
Iím only saying DM could make them cheaper if they wanted, lol

Definitely! We have the affordable Active line for this purpose but also want to have other product lines at a higher quality and price point for more competitive players or product longevity. There is no need to make a premium product cheaper in quality and keep the price the same, that's not okay.

DiscT 03-21-2022 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Discmania_Support (Post 3798370)
You have been niced by Discmania Support :)



Lots are being made right now, you're going to love them! ETA in the next couple months or so but we'll keep you posted



Sky God will certainly be among the first of the upcoming releases for sure. Rainmaker as well





Imitation is the best form of flattery ;)



April Jewels will definitely return but it's not likely to happen this time around. We want to make sure it's a treat and have already begun planning for 2023



You just might get your wish. It won't be a full production release but we've got some tricks up our sleeve


Welcome back! The Maniacs missed your insights and Easter eggs for sure. Thanks for catching up!

adb83 03-22-2022 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Discmania_Support (Post 3798371)
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Since you didn't address the shipping costs that many people have addressed here, maybe tagging you directly will help you to do so.

Dubbsy 03-22-2022 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by adb83 (Post 3798464)
Since you didn't address the shipping costs that many people have addressed here, maybe tagging you directly will help you to do so.

I tried finding the complaints but don't feel like searching that long. What about 6 dollars for shipping sounds awful? That's what it is from them to PA anyway. I mean there are crazy expensive shipping options too, but I will never need plastic bad enough to upgrade shipping.

adb83 03-22-2022 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Dubbsy (Post 3798507)
I tried finding the complaints but don't feel like searching that long. What about 6 dollars for shipping sounds awful? That's what it is from them to PA anyway. I mean there are crazy expensive shipping options too, but I will never need plastic bad enough to upgrade shipping.

Look it up before you reply.

seedlings 03-22-2022 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by adb83 (Post 3798464)
Since you didn't address the shipping costs that many people have addressed here, maybe tagging you directly will help you to do so.

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Originally Posted by adb83 (Post 3798519)
Look it up before you reply.

Did you mean shipping costs on Discmania website, or shipping costs from Sweden to the US to the distributors?

My last two orders from Discmania website were $4.65 to ship a CB3 and $13.92 to ship the black box. Pretty reasonable.

Dubbsy 03-22-2022 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by seedlings (Post 3798556)
Did you mean shipping costs on Discmania website, or shipping costs from Sweden to the US to the distributors?

My last two orders from Discmania website were $4.65 to ship a CB3 and $13.92 to ship the black box. Pretty reasonable.

He wants answers from people but is unwilling to make it easy for the person who is going to potentially answer. His question was when things can ship by boat again, will discmania lower the price of discs.

seedlings 03-22-2022 04:42 PM

C-Line PD


DiscT 03-22-2022 05:38 PM

Eye Spy...
 
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Try zooming in on the image...

What do your elf eyes see?!

Answer: THAT'S A BAG FULL OF SKY GOT IV'S!!!!

Sneaky, Discmania...very sneaky...

@Discmania_Support can I have one from the Angry Ape bag signed by the Angry Ape himself since I'm correct?!?! Please? I'll even pay for shipping ;)

adb83 03-23-2022 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Dubbsy (Post 3798570)
He wants answers from people but is unwilling to make it easy for the person who is going to potentially answer. His question was when things can ship by boat again, will discmania lower the price of discs.

Bingo bango. Sorry if before I sounded rude, your comment read like a fanboy who was ready to bite. Thanks for reading about the topic.

If Discmania is trying to show transparency to their fanbase and the disc golf community, they're going about it in a horrible way. They simply could have addressed the issue by saying they don't know at this time, logistics seem to be a future issue, etc.. However, they didn't, and I would like them to show their transparency.

seedlings 03-23-2022 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by adb83 (Post 3798718)
Bingo bango. Sorry if before I sounded rude, your comment read like a fanboy who was ready to bite. Thanks for reading about the topic.

If Discmania is trying to show transparency to their fanbase and the disc golf community, they're going about it in a horrible way. They simply could have addressed the issue by saying they don't know at this time, logistics seem to be a future issue, etc.. However, they didn't, and I would like them to show their transparency.

Not a full answer to your question, but from page 469:

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Originally Posted by Discmania_Support (Post 3785993)
The entirety of 2021 we took things via air, a decision that many companies weren't willing to take because it's outrageously expensive. 2022 will bring somewhat regular container shipments and higher volume restocks in turn. First one should arrive in a couple weeks. More urgent disc releases such as signature ones will likely still be taken via air since they are more time sensitive. Lots of improvements to build on this year for sure :) Q1 is going to be a banger

DM Support was correct about Q1 being nice for releases, probably also correct about the Air Freight being expensive.

Discmania_Support 03-23-2022 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Dubbsy (Post 3798570)
He wants answers from people but is unwilling to make it easy for the person who is going to potentially answer. His question was when things can ship by boat again, will discmania lower the price of discs.

That is something we'll evaluate when things begin to level out again. The price of any kind of goods, beginning with raw material, is just continuing to rise. We don't expect our prices to rise further any time soon but also can't state if they will be decreased either.

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Originally Posted by adb83 (Post 3798718)
Bingo bango. Sorry if before I sounded rude, your comment read like a fanboy who was ready to bite. Thanks for reading about the topic.

If Discmania is trying to show transparency to their fanbase and the disc golf community, they're going about it in a horrible way. They simply could have addressed the issue by saying they don't know at this time, logistics seem to be a future issue, etc.. However, they didn't, and I would like them to show their transparency.

Hopefully we can do better in the future! Many companies choose to say nothing at all so hopefully we're at least headed in the right direction.

adb83 03-23-2022 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Discmania_Support (Post 3798806)
That is something we'll evaluate when things begin to level out again. The price of any kind of goods, beginning with raw material, is just continuing to rise. We don't expect our prices to rise further any time soon but also can't state if they will be decreased either.



Hopefully we can do better in the future! Many companies choose to say nothing at all so hopefully we're at least headed in the right direction.

Thank you for responding about this topic and being transparent with your company. Just want to see how transparent you rrally are. Answer is very. You're right that other companies don't do this, and wish more did so, but major props to you guys for responding to a difficult question.

DiscT 03-29-2022 12:07 PM

Anyone have a Splice or a mutant? Wondering if either are worth picking up for an overatable slot?

ray1970 03-29-2022 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DiscT (Post 3800134)
Anyone have a Splice or a mutant? Wondering if either are worth picking up for an overatable slot?


A buddy has a Mutant. He throws a Justice a lot and says it pretty much flies like his beefier Justice.

I canít recall if he has a Splice but I just ordered one as I recently lost my favorite speed 9 utility disc and thought Iíd give the Splice a shot at filling that role.

ManU 03-29-2022 03:41 PM

I throw a variety of FD3s (CG, Glow, C line)

I've tested a 167gm Splice (I'm old and at altitude).

The thing is bloody overstable. No glide. Dump, get down to the ground.

It is more OS than my FD3s...probably more so than the Glow FD3

I'd say if you have a decent arm speed, face strong winds, and are at a reasonable altitude then a Splice would be handy

I'll likely stick to FD3s unless I'm going to be at something closer to sea level for a tournament

B The V 03-29-2022 04:24 PM

Splice seems to be like the flat Lizotte bar stamp swirly pre doom bird fd3's.

Will the Discmania store be restocked any time soon with FD's? I realize they have some available, but I am not a fan of the color selection and want red. I missed the drop and have a gift certificate to use and the Euro store has red but won't accept it.

robdeforge 03-29-2022 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DiscT (Post 3800134)
Anyone have a Splice or a mutant? Wondering if either are worth picking up for an overatable slot?

I have both, and they are both VERY overstable.

The mutant is basically justice level of overstability but I have a gator and legacy pursuit in the bag that the mutant did not end up replacing.

The splice is noticeably more OS than my sexton firebird and has ended up in my bag as a result. Plus it feels great in the hand for me

Agarner14 03-29-2022 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DiscT (Post 3800134)
Anyone have a Splice or a mutant? Wondering if either are worth picking up for an overatable slot?

Mutant: I picked up one from the release last summer (DGPT Match Play). It is super overstable. I can get most of my Mids to about 300-325' and the mutant goes about 200' for me and is nearly vertical by the time it hits the ground. Odd design, but actually feels nice in the hand for me. Only comes into my bag when winds are up as the Method or RC2 fills this slot for me on a calm day.

Splice: I snagged one from the Kyle Klein victory series last summer. For me it is pretty darn close to a Tilt. I go back and forth between a raptor and a firebird in this slot as I never snagged a FD3. For me it is pretty much useless. I could see it sneak into the bag on only the windiest of days.

seedlings 03-30-2022 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by B The V (Post 3800225)
Splice seems to be like the flat Lizotte bar stamp swirly pre doom bird fd3's.

Will the Discmania store be restocked any time soon with FD's? I realize they have some available, but I am not a fan of the color selection and want red. I missed the drop and have a gift certificate to use and the Euro store has red but won't accept it.

I wanted red too. The Pink I did get is excellent. I thought it would be too clear, but it is a close 2nd to red.

DiscT 03-30-2022 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by seedlings (Post 3800299)
I wanted red too. The Pink I did get is excellent. I thought it would be too clear, but it is a close 2nd to red.

How does it fly for you? I have a yellow one, but I switched to Discmania after the original FD.

DiscT 03-30-2022 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Agarner14 (Post 3800292)
Mutant: I picked up one from the release last summer (DGPT Match Play). It is super overstable. I can get most of my Mids to about 300-325' and the mutant goes about 200' for me and is nearly vertical by the time it hits the ground. Odd design, but actually feels nice in the hand for me. Only comes into my bag when winds are up as the Method or RC2 fills this slot for me on a calm day.

Splice: I snagged one from the Kyle Klein victory series last summer. For me it is pretty darn close to a Tilt. I go back and forth between a raptor and a firebird in this slot as I never snagged a FD3. For me it is pretty much useless. I could see it sneak into the bag on only the windiest of days.

This helps a ton. Doesnít sound like I need one yet. Gotta keep working on that arm speed!

seedlings 03-30-2022 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by DiscT (Post 3800365)
How does it fly for you? I have a yellow one, but I switched to Discmania after the original FD.

I picked up two new FDs, and they fly the same. Flight is a much longer MD3. Straight, very hard (for me) to turn without headwind, and land in pushing, gentle fade. Anny stays on angle until the very end of flight and lands flat. If itís thrown low, it is point and shoot. Little higher and you see some fade. Iím in the 300-325í on the course with some 350í on a football field. I have yet to throw it without gusting wind. Holds up well in strong head wind on hyzer.

Discmania_Support 03-30-2022 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by B The V (Post 3800225)
Splice seems to be like the flat Lizotte bar stamp swirly pre doom bird fd3's.

Will the Discmania store be restocked any time soon with FD's? I realize they have some available, but I am not a fan of the color selection and want red. I missed the drop and have a gift certificate to use and the Euro store has red but won't accept it.

Hopefully within a week or so! We're inventorying a new shipment now and should be done around Friday. So early next week is probably the best bet

seedlings 03-31-2022 05:29 PM

@Discmania_Support, are Rainmakers designed to go puddle-topped? Both my Flex 2 and 3 are showing signs after minimal use since BlackBox arrived. I wonder if it’s designed that way because my D-Line P2 molded byinnova did the same thing. Not noticing any puddles with the four Proto P2s that see heavy use putting.

DiscT 04-01-2022 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by seedlings (Post 3800694)
@Discmania_Support, are Rainmakers designed to go puddle-topped? Both my Flex 2 and 3 are showing signs after minimal use since BlackBox arrived. I wonder if itís designed that way because my D-Line P2 molded byinnova did the same thing. Not noticing any puddles with the four Proto P2s that see heavy use putting.

I love this question and hope we receive insight into this depth of design nuance.

ray1970 04-01-2022 02:58 PM

Well, looks like my new thumber/utility disc should be arriving this evening. I should get to put it through itís paces this weekend and see how it performs for me.

(Itís a Splice, by the way.)

Biggie_Robs 04-01-2022 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DiscT (Post 3800815)
I love this question and hope we receive insight into this depth of design nuance.

Second that. So, I third the og sentiment.

DiscT 04-01-2022 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by seedlings (Post 3800694)
@Discmania_Support, are Rainmakers designed to go puddle-topped? Both my Flex 2 and 3 are showing signs after minimal use since BlackBox arrived. I wonder if it’s designed that way because my D-Line P2 molded byinnova did the same thing. Not noticing any puddles with the four Proto P2s that see heavy use putting.

Not sure if you saw this yet. Stock Rainmakers are glow! Check out the image. This is from Eagle’s newly dropped In-The-Bag.

@Discmania_Support I’m also curious if Flex 3 D-line replaces P-line or if P-line P2s will return?

seedlings 04-01-2022 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DiscT (Post 3800967)
Not sure if you saw this yet. Stock Rainmakers are glow! Check out the image. This is from Eagleís newly dropped In-The-Bag.

@Discmania_Support Iím also curious if Flex 3 D-line replaces P-line or if P-line P2s will return?

Ok thatís pretty cool! These proto Rainmakers from 2021 black box do not glow.

DiscT 04-01-2022 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by seedlings (Post 3800971)
Ok thatís pretty cool! These proto Rainmakers from 2021 black box do not glow.

I know itís super interesting to have a stock run of glow putters. Obviously Eagle has favored glow plastic for putting through his career. canít canít to compare! Do you put with them currently?

ray1970 04-01-2022 10:44 PM

So, I think the Splice is going to be the super overstable disc Iíve been looking for.

The Splice is on the left. The right is the flattest Firebird I could find with the highest parting line I could find.

Suck it, Innova.

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