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seedlings 10-22-2020 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by SaROCaM (Post 3647060)
So you're saying bracing has to do with weight? I was under the impression that bracing has to do with momentum. Anyone else care to speak to this?

Also I still think that "strong brace" is a strange construct. You hear people say "brace yourself," not "strong brace yourself." You hear "brace for impact," not "strong brace for impact."

Not sure a still frame would help since it isn't clear whether you were able to make a GIF that stopped at the correct point.


The nanoseconds between the brace and the strong brace are literally the most important part of proper form for those who can throw over 500.


Sarcasm

RandyC 10-22-2020 10:55 AM

This is getting quite tiresome, you cannot produce a decent throw using your method and it literally shows in your own effort to throw the disc. You ignore everything that you cannot answer and your only argument is "It must be like this because I am unable to do it."

Since we are ignoring all biomechanics, lets discuss just raw distance. Why is it that I am able to throw as far as you from a one leg with a putter when you are using so-called correct kinetic sequence and a high-speed driver?

RowingBoats 10-22-2020 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by RoDeO (Post 3647022)
Whichever muscle groups are involved is a topic for discussion on its own. The important part is that the rotation of the hips begin just before the brace. This is important because if a player is led to believe that no rotation at all happens until brace then they have troubles learning how to rotate and get the hips involved and the right sequencing invloved. This was simply proven by your one leg throw. In that throw your hip never leads rotation like it should. It's also the reason why you can't balance solely on your front leg and swing a bat with power. The hip rotation is what leads the rotation and it must be initiated before the weight shift occurs.

I just don't understand. There seems to be some deliberate line in the sand you have drawn, and simply want to do battle here. Judging by other responses, you seem to evoke the same reactions pretty often, but this thread just keeps going, and going...and I think I know why.

You clearly do not believe it, but there are a lot of people here who understand exactly how you are thinking and swinging, because that is something they also did. There is a certain built in sympathy learning this particular swing, because, oddly enough, as complex as all of this sounds when you start...retrospectively, this concept is so absurdly simple. Once you start to implement the concept of building lateral momentum, bracing and extending the lead knee to crush the hit, a whole lot of clicks go off. Suddenly you have an actual path forward with all of this. Finding ways to get your body to generate more lateral momentum to use at the end is actually quite natural feeling. At least this is how it has all felt to me.

I really just urge you to come on out of Plato's cave. Stop watching slow motion videos on the cave wall to attempt to back up a preconceived notion. Come out of the cave and start moving your actual body around with an open mind, and you might be a bit surprised.

NoseDownKing 10-22-2020 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by RandyC (Post 3647066)
This is getting quite tiresome, you cannot produce a decent throw using your method and it literally shows in your own effort to throw the disc. You ignore everything that you cannot answer and your only argument is "It must be like this because I am unable to do it."

Since we are ignoring all biomechanics, lets discuss just raw distance. Why is it that I am able to throw as far as you from a one leg with a putter when you are using so-called correct kinetic sequence and a high-speed driver?

He's going to tell you that you have developed the muscles to throw far.

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UhhNegative 10-22-2020 12:33 PM

Can everyone just stop posting in this thread? Here's the big picture of what's happening: Rodeo is spouting nonsense no one believes and is unimportant anyway, everyone is actually trying to explain how a good throw works, Rodeo is not listening. This isn't productive or useful for anyone.

RoDeO 10-22-2020 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by RandyC (Post 3647066)
This is getting quite tiresome, you cannot produce a decent throw using your method and it literally shows in your own effort to throw the disc. You ignore everything that you cannot answer and your only argument is "It must be like this because I am unable to do it."

Since we are ignoring all biomechanics, lets discuss just raw distance. Why is it that I am able to throw as far as you from a one leg with a putter when you are using so-called correct kinetic sequence and a high-speed driver?

I doubt you can throw a putter balanced on one leg as far as I can throw a driver from two legs.

NoseDownKing 10-22-2020 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by RoDeO (Post 3647148)
I doubt you can throw a putter balanced on one leg as far as I can throw a driver from two legs.

Are you saying that he is not in balance?

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RoDeO 10-22-2020 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by NoseDownKing (Post 3647155)
Are you saying that he is not in balance?

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I'm saying he can't throw a putter as far balanced on his front leg only as I can from an x step.

RoDeO 10-22-2020 12:57 PM

This is what I am advocating. It's called hip rotation initiation before brace.

https://i.makeagif.com/media/10-22-2020/f__zGe.gif

RowingBoats 10-22-2020 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by RoDeO (Post 3647161)
This is what I am advocating. It's called hip rotation initiation before brace.

https://i.makeagif.com/media/10-22-2020/f__zGe.gif

Again, there are two options.

1.) You believe this clip shows that in the lateral move into the brace, incidental hip rotation will occur. No one has argued against this, and no one gives a ****.

2.) You believe he is initiating rotation with the rear leg and will continuously rotate from this frame. Everyone has told you this is wrong, in 100 different ways, over and over. You are wrong.


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