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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...e_non-free.png Aside from petty jest, I do think it's worthwhile to get the facts straight. The claim that the Squatch is a "stitch for stitch copy" of the Octo is obviously false, in ways that are easy to demonstrate. My goal is to get the conversation back to things that are actually truthful. So if not a 100% copy, how much of the design is stolen? If the inner structure is truly copied, then that's a big deal. One of the Octothorpe's best and distinguishing features (in my opinion) is the ergonomics of how it carries the weight. That's much more important to me than the layout of the auxiliary pockets...but tougher to see in photos online! But is it true that the structural design of the Squatch is ripped off? The only person I see making that claim is Mr. Stitch4stitch, who has historically had a very tenuous relationship with facts. That's not to say that the claim is necessarily false. I'd be interested if anyone more credible is of the same opinion. |
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So yeah, stitch for stitch (not literally) copy, then they moved a couple pockets around a flipped a zipper backwards. And yeah, not stitch for stitch (literally), because they're not going to have the same quality controls for stitching, or anything else. But stitch for stich in that they bought an Octothorpe, took it apart stitch by stitch and piece by piece, and used it to "design" their knock off. You will see. |
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It is obviously not a stitch for stitch copy. And no one used that phrase, except you. It was copied stitch by stitch, when these guys bought an Octothorpe, took it apart stitch by stitch, and traced the panels. |
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The same goes for zippers, there are only so many models of YKK zipper, and even fewer that are weatherproof and suitable for a disc golf bag. It's odd that you are using this as an argument against the Squatch, when it's actually one of the few similarities the bags actually share. |
Soooo....where can I get one?
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So the Pound site doesn't say anything about Warranty transfers. Squatch has the SAME lifetime warranty, but only for the original purchaser.
Pound: We*guarantee all of our packs against defects in materials and workmanship for the lifetime of every pack.* Squatch: GUARANTEED FOR A LIFETIME. PERIOD. We will repair or replace, at our discretion, any bag that we deem as defective with regards to materials and workmanship.** |
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Zippers, you're not wrong--YKK means YKK. And yet Squatch looks like it only uses the smaller sizes. No larger size zippers on high stress openings. Do you really see "few similarities"? |
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Paper mill is most cost effective to locate near timber lands. 25 years ago, the company I work for made 100% of our products in the US with a largely US based supply chain. Now only 10% made in US and almost all of those components are sourced from overseas. It had to happen though. We lost nearly half of our business to Chinese knockoffs of our old designs. It was almost impossible to compete with Chinese companies that have very low labor costs, very low overhead, and were willing to make low single digit margins. I'm an accountant. Long term, I expect my role will move overseas too (if I don't get replaced by an algorithm first). |
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Squatch ain't the same: "We will repair or replace, at our discretion, any bag that we deem as defective with regards to materials and workmanship. This warranty is valid to the original owner, who must register their purchase with us within 90 days." There are plenty of bag manufacturers making quality disc golf bags of their own designs in that Squatch price range. If you guys want to support these knock-off artists instead, cool. Go ahead. |
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