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Casey 1988 01-04-2020 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by brutalbrutus (Post 3533841)
Doesn't this guy play ball golf too? I'm sure has some idea about on course etiquette...

Yes but some accidental NICE! that is so loud after a player on his card makes an amazing putt or some amazing shot to the point that he is bothering all other players including on the hole furthest from one his card is on and has to get Courtesy Violation for his voice taking as loud as some non mic'ed up metal singers would be. If not that then the Bleep words loud enough to get caught on camera or heard by players using the Bleeped words for missing an easy putt or some easy shot. If Nikko Locastro can get a few of these Curse Courtesy Violations in his earlier career then, Brodie definitely will.

sidewinder22 01-04-2020 03:14 AM

It's all good as long as Brodie only yells, "My Life!".

Chains Bailey 01-04-2020 05:34 AM

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Originally Posted by biscoe (Post 3533767)
Define exploit. I tend to agree with him about BS.

Short version:

I do not believe the word exploit is the focus. The contentious part of JTs post is "us" and "Wake me up when he's really about dg and the culture..." - with JTs similar position to Brodie in the first place it reads as sour grapes.

Sour Grapes - used to refer to an attitude in which someone adopts a negative attitude to something because they cannot have it themselves.



Longer version:

I have no delusions/predictions that Brodie will take disc golf seriously at all. There is good chance that BS does intend to use disc golf as his next adventure, which would be reflected on one of his YT channels. BS may intend to do exactly what JT said - use disc golf for ad revenue. The problem is that JT lives in a very similar space and is "marginalizing" Brodie with prejudice.


Defining exploit is interesting:

1. make full use of and derive benefit from (a resource)
2. use (a situation or person) in an unfair or selfish way

I think many correctly associate the word with the second definition in this case since JT leads in with "Wake me up when he's really about dg and the culture..." as if his personal definition of "dg culture" is some sort of qualifier or prerequisite to profit off of or even participate in the sport.

Add to that - JT, in his own words, will define TDs, staff and volunteers as "marginalized" while "exploiting" them at every turn himself. Unless JT is sharing his profits off of these peoples efforts, this is virtue signaling at its finest.

Would I agree that BS may intend to create YT content and earn ad revenue? Yes. I do not view this as a negative.

JT paints Brodie's intentions in a negative light by advocating the idea that BS is required to prove something to us by demanding that he is "about the dg culture", while insinuating that there is some sort of disc golf street cred' that needs to be earned to create disc golf content or profit off of the sport. Add to that, JTs "Wake me up when..." acting as if he is the gatekeeper of what is, and is not, an acceptable approach to disc golf media or participation in the sport overall.

JTs opinions have consistently been pompous and in this case you can add very asinine.

This is my opinion as I do not claim to speak for us.

Alobar 01-04-2020 11:18 AM

My guess is that Brodie was pompous and condescending during the Avery filming, and this left a bad impression with JT....

However, Chains Bailey nailed it with his summary of JTís take and overall demeanor...

For someone who shares his former bossís pretentious ďonly I can see the big pictureĒ pov he sure seems to be missing the possible benefits to more views for disc golf...

Full disclosure: the Brodie/Avery vid was the first and last Brodie vid I watched...not my cup of tea.

jakebake91 01-04-2020 03:25 PM

Hot take.....
Lloyd Weema could sell more discs (albeit for probably different reasons) than Brodie Smith.

John Hansen 01-04-2020 07:36 PM

Superhuman! starts at 28.58
https://i.imgur.com/DAKbyjp.jpg

biscoe 01-04-2020 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by jakebake91 (Post 3533918)
Hot take.....
Lloyd Weema could sell more discs (albeit for probably different reasons) than Brodie Smith.

I would be a hell of a lot more likely to buy a Lloyd disc.

Chains Bailey 01-05-2020 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by jakebake91 (Post 3533918)
Hot take.....
Lloyd Weema could sell more discs (albeit for probably different reasons) than Brodie Smith.

I mentioned this in another thread:

...wonder if a company putting a very reasonable investment in the "Underdog", think LLoyd Weema, would pay off?

Hypothetical - Pay Lloyd's entry fees and lodging for 15 of the largest events = $5000ish' - could they sell over that in signature Weema' plastic?

I guess it is a risk - sponsoring Weema may backfire and be seen as diminishing the "Quality" of that brand or people may see the FUN in the idea and jump on board. Maybe the same applies to the risk of signing a person like Brodie.

________________

I imagine any live broadcast having a camera on Lloyd's group and doing check-ins in between action on the lead cards. Short replays of highlights (failed throws and putts), but treated with the same level of professionalism as the lead cards.

New dream card - Lloyd Weema, Brodie Smith, _________, __________?

Chains Bailey 01-05-2020 05:01 PM

To the above post - I guess they would need to record Lloyds round as it is going to be way earlier in the day. Maybe that would work in their favor and have clips already edited to play during breaks in the live action. Also, the new ratings limits would keep Weema out of the events all together.

I am going to have to create a "Free Weema" campaign for 2020.

Updated dream card - Lloyd Weema, Brodie Smith, Casey 1988 (REQUIRED INTERVIEW),___________?

Jay Dub 01-05-2020 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Chains Bailey (Post 3534141)
I mentioned this in another thread:

...wonder if a company putting a very reasonable investment in the "Underdog", think LLoyd Weema, would pay off?

Hypothetical - Pay Lloyd's entry fees and lodging for 15 of the largest events = $5000ish' - could they sell over that in signature Weema' plastic?

I guess it is a risk - sponsoring Weema may backfire and be seen as diminishing the "Quality" of that brand or people may see the FUN in the idea and jump on board. Maybe the same applies to the risk of signing a person like Brodie.

________________

I imagine any live broadcast having a camera on Lloyd's group and doing check-ins in between action on the lead cards. Short replays of highlights (failed throws and putts), but treated with the same level of professionalism as the lead cards.

New dream card - Lloyd Weema, Brodie Smith, _________, __________?

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Originally Posted by Chains Bailey (Post 3534143)
To the above post - I guess they would need to record Lloyds round as it is going to be way earlier in the day. Maybe that would work in their favor and have clips already edited to play during breaks in the live action. Also, the new ratings limits would keep Weema out of the events all together.

I am going to have to create a "Free Weema" campaign for 2020.

Updated dream card - Lloyd Weema, Brodie Smith, Casey 1988 (REQUIRED INTERVIEW),___________?

The "Weema" idea is a really good one, imo. As long as he's OK with it and it's not done in an offensive way towards him. I do think there would be a market for that. And mixing his shots in during breaks of live streaming would really improve those gaps.
Look at Cubby, RIP. When he was first discovered people bitched and moaned about all the aces, then he became someone who represented the fun part of the sport. Now there's a shot named after him.
Something similar could happen with Weema.

armiller 01-05-2020 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Chains Bailey (Post 3534141)
I mentioned this in another thread:

...wonder if a company putting a very reasonable investment in the "Underdog", think LLoyd Weema, would pay off?

Hypothetical - Pay Lloyd's entry fees and lodging for 15 of the largest events = $5000ish' - could they sell over that in signature Weema' plastic?

I guess it is a risk - sponsoring Weema may backfire and be seen as diminishing the "Quality" of that brand or people may see the FUN in the idea and jump on board. Maybe the same applies to the risk of signing a person like Brodie.

________________

I imagine any live broadcast having a camera on Lloyd's group and doing check-ins in between action on the lead cards. Short replays of highlights (failed throws and putts), but treated with the same level of professionalism as the lead cards.

New dream card - Lloyd Weema, Brodie Smith, _________, __________?

I kinda think the only person that would watch a video of the Lloyd round would be Lloyd. And I would not expect any company to consider investing even such a small amount in a sub-800 player.

As for a Brodie "sponsorship," I expect if he starts playing, he might get a deal similar to Casey DeSmith, the NHL player who had some kind of deal with Dynamic Discs. I suspect they supplied plastic at the very least, and he participated in some events and helped out with publicity. I could see Brodie Smith doing something like that but wouldn't expect his own line or anything.

brutalbrutus 01-05-2020 05:32 PM

...especially since he isn't even allowed to play in those events

brutalbrutus 01-05-2020 05:37 PM

Did the Weema Rule thread get deleted? I can't find it

AHagglund 01-05-2020 05:40 PM

The guy has never played a tournament, and this thread already has ten pages.
If he can spark this much interest, it is good for disc golf.

Chains Bailey 01-05-2020 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by armiller (Post 3534146)
I kinda think the only person that would watch a video of the Lloyd round would be Lloyd. And I would not expect any company to consider investing even such a small amount in a sub-800 player..

Like Jay Dub mentioned, Weema would have to be in on the idea and realize it is all in fun.

You are correct, there is almost zero chance this ever happens, but I am just imagining Lloyd on a teams website, a players card, run of plastic, his vehicle emblazoned like a top touring Pro, his own Vlog of his adventures on the teams site.....it all has the makings of an instant cult hero.

Then take the thing to all companies willing - maybe just 1 player per company per season. Each season culminates with each teams Weema' playing a winner take all one round event at years end just before the season finale of the top pros. Like 8 companies represented on a Rec level course, but add the flare of a tour event and present it professionally through a Jomez type company and BAM! - an annual must see by all of the disc golf FUN loving fans.

The relatability to the average player, add the differing personalities, nicknames and unique styles of throwing - each player may get their own fan following throughout the year - the bragging rights if your favorite manufacturer wins...

_____________________

I need to put down the DGCR and go do something productive now.

Chains Bailey 01-05-2020 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by brutalbrutus (Post 3534151)
...especially since he isn't even allowed to play in those events


I realized this immediately after I posted my inane ideas.....such a loss.


OR we could all join the "Free Weema" campaign....we are marching on the PDGA building later this month...WHO IS WITH ME!!!!!!!!


































Walks away alone.

Hampstead 01-05-2020 07:08 PM

Brodie to DD seems inevitable.

Casey 1988 01-05-2020 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by brutalbrutus (Post 3534153)
Did the Weema Rule thread get deleted? I can't find it

Actually I think it did as well as the discussion of him in the Sponsor switch for 2020 original.

Casey 1988 01-05-2020 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Hampstead (Post 3534176)
Brodie to DD seems inevitable.

If not there then Innova has a number of celebrity players combined with the discs that could suit his game like the Condor, The Sonic and dog versions with both 245 and 215 that are legal, Zepher, and big Kahuna. Not to mention the slow Birdie and the Pole Cat. He could use those discs as well as, I almost forgot, the Nova. I know Innova has an Ultimate disc but it is not that great, has odd grip.

BrotherDave 01-05-2020 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by AHagglund (Post 3534155)
The guy has never played a tournament, and this thread already has ten pages.
If he can spark this much interest, it is good for disc golf.

I wonder what kind of barbecue he likes. :popcorn:

blazerico 01-05-2020 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by AHagglund (Post 3534155)
The guy has never played a tournament, and this thread already has ten pages.
If he can spark this much interest, it is good for disc golf.

his status sparked this much interest on a disc golf site. I highly doubt anyone else cares.

Chains Bailey 01-05-2020 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by blazerico (Post 3534196)
his status sparked this much interest on a disc golf site. I highly doubt anyone else cares.

So, a disc golf media company that could bring a couple million more views to their channel or a disc manufacturer that could possibly sell a ton of product do not care?

MarkDSM 01-05-2020 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Hampstead (Post 3534176)
Brodie to DD seems inevitable.

Brodie throws and sells UltraStars as his ‘official frisbee’. I would think Discraft wanna keep him in house if he expands.

TAFL 01-06-2020 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by F. Howl (Post 3533747)
I love ultimate highlights. Follow more Ultimate content on Instagram than disc golf, because 100% of it are crazy bids and hucks. Never have or would play, though. Catch with an Ultrastar is as far as I go (like the guy below) Just into "frisbee" culture, and I imagine some Ultimate players feel the same.

I've never played anything more than casual pickup, and very little of that.

That said, I've hosted UPA coaching certification clinics and have been certified as a coach. I contributed (years ago) to the development of the 10th edition rules. I spent years involved in online discussion about Ulty and its rules. My son was interested years ago and we would go watch practices and events at KU. So, yeah, I reckon there's appeal among flying disc enthusiasts for the other disc sports.

(The folks who attended those coaching clinics got to see a veryvery large man run drills with them. Probably the only time in their lives to see somebody well over 300 pounds at the time play Ulty.)

Jugular 01-06-2020 11:19 AM

Lots of ex-Ultimate players have the potential to become DGers. I know because I am one and know many more. The potential for moving the other direction is much slimmer.

DiscJunkie 01-06-2020 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Jugular (Post 3534331)
Lots of ex-Ultimate players have the potential to become DGers. I know because I am one and know many more. The potential for moving the other direction is much slimmer.

Yep, at 61 I have no desire to run around waving my arms and yelling at everyone I see.

blazerico 01-06-2020 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Chains Bailey (Post 3534217)
So, a disc golf media company that could bring a couple million more views to their channel or a disc manufacturer that could possibly sell a ton of product do not care?

a million views on youtube is worth how much, $500? maybe if this guy wins a a few worlds, then he'll influence product sales, but until then...

GoobyPls 01-06-2020 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DiscJunkie (Post 3534354)
Yep, at 61 I have no desire to run around waving my arms and yelling at everyone I see.

Why not? I do it all the time, it's really a lot of fun. Especially when they're not expecting it.

Oh wait, you mean playing ultimate. Nevermind

F. Howl 01-06-2020 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by blazerico (Post 3534357)
a million views on youtube is worth how much, $500? maybe if this guy wins a a few worlds, then he'll influence product sales, but until then...

I think its closer to $2k-$3K.

Jugular 01-06-2020 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by F. Howl (Post 3534369)
I think its closer to $2k-$3K.

And that's per video posted? That soon adds up over one tournament.

If Brodie boosts the DG community by ten thousand players (1% conversion rate assuming one million followers actually watch), even if only for a few casual rounds and let's assume a starter set each ($50?) that equates to potentially half a million dollars of revenue to the industry.

It's not trivial and that's assuming a perfectly sensible conversion rate, it could vary a lot from that depending on how well the footage paints DG.

brutalbrutus 01-06-2020 04:39 PM

It depends on view times as much or more than actual views. I was watching a vid the other day where a guy broke down his biggest revenue vids. His top vid had a 2/3 of the views as his second but double the view time.

ILUVSMGS18 01-06-2020 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Chains Bailey (Post 3534143)
To the above post - I guess they would need to record Lloyds round as it is going to be way earlier in the day. Maybe that would work in their favor and have clips already edited to play during breaks in the live action. Also, the new ratings limits would keep Weema out of the events all together.

I am going to have to create a "Free Weema" campaign for 2020.

Updated dream card - Lloyd Weema, Brodie Smith, Casey 1988 (REQUIRED INTERVIEW),___________?

I'll take the 4th spot if this actually goes anywhere. I'll provide a nice "average" player. I may throw further than average, but I could dial that back. I putt at maybe 50% outside of 15'.

DiscFifty 01-06-2020 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Hampstead (Post 3534176)
Brodie to DD seems inevitable.

I say he goes to Discraft, where he could push Ultimate and Discgolf for Discraft. Plus I think he likes the Buzzz.

Hampstead 01-06-2020 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DiscFifty (Post 3534603)
I say he goes to Discraft, where he could push Ultimate and Discgolf for Discraft. Plus I think he likes the Buzzz.

My comment had nothing to do with current sponsor and everything to do with personality. He is most definitely a DD personality.

Central Scrutinizer 01-07-2020 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by armiller (Post 3534146)
he might get a deal similar to Casey DeSmith, the NHL player who had some kind of deal with Dynamic Discs.

Man, the Penguins' farm team Wilkes-Barre was coming to Grand Rapids last year. I had a huge sign with a basket on it and everything, but he got called up to the NHL. I was bummed!

DiscFifty 01-14-2020 07:48 AM

I have to admit, he's looking pretty good in these videos.

Forehand:
https://twitter.com/Brodiesmith21/st...05772069658626

Putting:
https://twitter.com/Brodiesmith21/st...59965456588802

"Lots of people questioning what my intentions with disc golf are. How I felt about ultimate frisbee back in 2005 is how I feel about disc golf. I want to have fun, but make no mistake Iím here to compete."

wims 01-14-2020 08:24 AM

His forehand looks quite good from that angle. His putter stroke is a bit wonky, but if he can make it work then why not

Bigtex 01-14-2020 10:34 PM

Brodie is on the smashboxx podcast right now. Seems like he'll be touring when the season starts.

DiscFifty 01-15-2020 01:04 AM


brutalbrutus 01-15-2020 01:37 AM

Lol... he looks like that guy in the stretchy neck shirt commercial...


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