Look man I've launched some campaigns before about the envy being a mid but never had the gall to call it a fairway.

Good show sir! True brilliance.

You lot who bag Craves and Relays together have to tell me why. They seem to fly the same for me.

Sometimes I just want to toss everything out and just bag three Craves of slightly different stabilities. They seem to be able to do anything.

I feel the same about Crave/Relay, and Servo/new N Resistor. I think a third of it is what feel you like, a third of it is form and distance ability, and the last third is how US or OS your particular versions are.

I'm wondering if the older craves were more on the OS side, or if mines a freak. I've got an old flat plasma one that doesn't turn and just goes straight with a mild fade. My relay turns waaaaayyyyyy more.

I'd argue that it's not so much the craves, but old Relays were more US. I had a circuit one from 2016 and it was much more understable than my craves when I threw them both

My relay is a newer run though. Not brand new, but like 3 years old? It sat on a shelf till the past season so it's not beat up or anything.

Id rate my crave 0/2 and my relay -2/1

I bought a relay to partner with my craves for something US but yeah...it just isn't. It was one of the DFX stamped discs so it's got a cool stamp. i will probably end up selling. I may pick up a signal but I was really hoping to get something that was US and speed 7 but it seems like the drift is closest to that but I really want the -3 turn and 1 fade.

And the Uplink flies surprisingly far so there would probably be overlap if I ended up with a signal.

If you didn’t live in the opposite corner of the continent I’d grab that cosmic Volt…

At one point I seriously considered switching my fairways to just Volt/Flare going Fission/Neutron/Cosmic Volts to Flares…but it has somehow been cheaper and easier to obtain 3 different molds to cover that slot.

Some of the first runs of relays/craves coming out of the new in-house machines had some variation as they dialed them in with the different plastics. Anyone comparing from those somewhat recent runs could see a lot of overlap. I heard relays were quite HSS stable for a bit, while craves went the other way.

The first run of the Hokom neutrons came out with a low PLH and a lot of turn. Mine turned harder than a relay out of the box (max weight vs 165 relay too), and a touchier turn then a relay—easier to burn. They were sweet with the right angle, but thats not why I throw craves.

The newest Hokum run is probably what MVP wanted, a -1, 1 but very trusty, smooth, handles power, and very straight. PLH similar to PP but maybe a little more shoulder/dome for turn. Neutrons I bought from this run are slightly more OS than recent CN.

Current relays are close to the numbers for me, except that they need a few rounds to take the new off.

I can certainly see the overlap, but the primary difference for me is the power level they work best at. Craves go a bit farther and are very trustworthy on long tunnels at full power. I use craves for most “fairway” shots but carry a lighter relay partially for US, but more so to throw low-power shots through tight lines. Relays power down very well and forehand cleaner than mids.

Long winded, but my fairway line-up is

Resistor (newer—lazily looking for a PP)
PP crave
Neutron crave
Neutron Relay

Sometimes throw in a lighter CN crave for woods. Also a firebird if it counts.

Quick question, I feel like a dumb@$$ this morning, lack of coffee maybe but....

I keep seeing things labeled PP mold......what are those??