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Vonbeezy1 02-29-2020 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Jay Dub (Post 3554982)
This is one of the dumbest reactions to a pro's game getting criticized. Because others aren't top pros they can't see fault in someone else game? Not true and the people who post this crap know it.

Tiger Woods had a coach who told him what he was doing wrong and how to correct it. Are you claiming if his coach could not beat (which he couldn't) Tiger he has no business being Tiger's coach?

Stupid!!

Those who can't do ATTEMPT to teach. There's no such thing as perfect form or technique. People do what works for them and there is no guarantee that by fixing form you will be any better.

drk_evns 02-29-2020 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Vonbeezy1 (Post 3555277)
Those who can't do ATTEMPT to teach. There's no such thing as perfect form or technique. People do what works for them and there is no guarantee that by fixing form you will be any better.



You can keep believing that to justify your form...

Such a transparent and pitiful comment.

biscoe 02-29-2020 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Vonbeezy1 (Post 3555277)
Those who can't do ATTEMPT to teach. There's no such thing as perfect form or technique. People do what works for them and there is no guarantee that by fixing form you will be any better.

There is certainly no guarantee but you can increase the odds in your favor considerably.

Jay Dub 02-29-2020 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Vonbeezy1 (Post 3555277)
Those who can't do ATTEMPT to teach. There's no such thing as perfect form or technique. People do what works for them and there is no guarantee that by fixing form you will be any better.

Breaking news! :rolleyes:

drk_evns 02-29-2020 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by biscoe (Post 3555280)
There is certainly no guarantee but you can increase the odds in your favor considerably.



See thatís where youíre wrong. If you improve your form I GUARANTEE your game will get better.

And contrary to what many believe, most pros are using the same exact motion to put power on the disc. It might look different from pro to pro because everybody has a different body, but every single one is shifting with their hips to the front leg in balance.

Look at a Paul McBeth drive from behind and a golf swing from behind. The body gets into the same positions. Itís consistent because there is a tried and true way that ALL throwing motions are achieved.


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Vonbeezy1 02-29-2020 08:54 AM

Lulz

Nick Pacific 02-29-2020 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by brutalbrutus (Post 3555039)

Someone tell Brody that front foot/leg needs to be turned in when throwing a distance line, not out. Helps prevent rounding and falling forward prematurely.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/-ot2eYUqjtQ/maxresdefault.jpg

wolfmandragon 02-29-2020 10:34 AM

@drk, you might want to go read this article.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikmat...out-of-a-tree/

Like Arnold Palmer said, "swing your swing".

Jay Dub 02-29-2020 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Nick Pacific (Post 3555302)
Someone tell Brody that front foot/leg needs to be turned in when throwing a distance line, not out. Helps prevent rounding and falling forward prematurely.

Be careful saying anything that's not 100% positive about "Bro". :\

Nick Pacific 02-29-2020 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by wolfmandragon (Post 3555309)
@drk, you might want to go read this article.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikmat...out-of-a-tree/

Like Arnold Palmer said, "swing your swing".

I think with putting and approaching that's absolutely true, but for a distance line, that plant foot absolutely needs to be turned inward. It's human biomechanics/physics in play, no way around it. Go ahead and slow mo any of the top players, they all do it.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-aYXv3_vZc...s1600/cap1.PNG

https://www.flatlandkc.org/assets/up...d-1170x658.jpg

wolfmandragon 02-29-2020 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Nick Pacific (Post 3555318)
I think with putting and approaching that's absolutely true, but for a distance line, that plant foot absolutely needs to be turned inward. It's human biomechanics/physics in play, no way around it. Go ahead and slow mo any of the top players, they all do it.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-aYXv3_vZc...s1600/cap1.PNG

https://www.flatlandkc.org/assets/up...d-1170x658.jpg

My quote was not directed at you, it was for @drk obsession that there is only one way to throw.

All that matters is the hit. At the point of the hit, everyone looks very similar. How one gets there is less important.

In general, I agree with you, especially for players that use a full reach back. It probably would help Brodie on pure distance lines as he is using a full reach back. It might screw up his accuracy, at this point, on tighter lines.

I expect over the next couple months we will see his form tighten.

brutalbrutus 02-29-2020 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Jay Dub (Post 3555310)
Be careful saying anything that's not 100% positive about "Bro". :\

That was constructive criticism not being a grumpy old hater...

Jay Dub 02-29-2020 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by BSAW brutalbrutus (Post 3555347)
That was constructive criticism not being a grumpy old hater...

Hope I didn't upset you too much.

DanJon 02-29-2020 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by drk_evns (Post 3555284)
See thatís where youíre wrong. If you improve your form I GUARANTEE your game will get better.

And contrary to what many believe, most pros are using the same exact motion to put power on the disc. It might look different from pro to pro because everybody has a different body, but every single one is shifting with their hips to the front leg in balance.

Look at a Paul McBeth drive from behind and a golf swing from behind. The body gets into the same positions. Itís consistent because there is a tried and true way that ALL throwing motions are achieved.


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Your reading comprehension is horrible.

Biscoe was basically saying the same thing.

brutalbrutus 02-29-2020 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Jay Dub (Post 3555350)
Hope I didn't upset you too much.

Didn't upset me at all. I was just pointing out your continuing BS and hypocrisy.:thmbup:

drk_evns 02-29-2020 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DanJon (Post 3555353)
Your reading comprehension is horrible.



Biscoe was basically saying the same thing.



He literally said ďthere is no guarantee.Ē

The rest of my response was more directed at the other dude.

drk_evns 02-29-2020 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by wolfmandragon (Post 3555342)
My quote was not directed at you, it was for @drk obsession that there is only one way to throw.



All that matters is the hit. At the point of the hit, everyone looks very similar. How one gets there is less important.



In general, I agree with you, especially for players that use a full reach back. It probably would help Brodie on pure distance lines as he is using a full reach back. It might screw up his accuracy, at this point, on tighter lines.



I expect over the next couple months we will see his form tighten.



Didnít say there was one way to throw, I said the core of every throw is the same. I believe that to be true.

Garret Guthrie and Paul McBeth both do the same things to throw, despite looking drastically different.

sidewinder22 02-29-2020 02:30 PM

These type of discussions about perfect or proper form often go off on weird rails of semantics where people kind of mean the same thing, but not saying the right things or context is lost in forum.

Just because a player does something unique in their swing doesn't mean their fundamentals are different, but it also might, or might just mean their swing is less efficient, or perhaps injury related, or have crazy flexibility or different body dimensions.

Better form doesn't always guarantee better scoring/rating, but often does and often makes the game more enjoyable/better.

It is much easier to know what good form is or looks like, than being able to perform it. This is how we learn to perform motions. The brain has to learn before it can control the muscles. After a lot of practice the subconscious brain memory allows you to perform the motions at the highest level.

Knowing & Understanding vs Doing & Teaching:
https://medium.com/@johnharrydsouza/...g-dbeb86149695

wims 02-29-2020 03:28 PM

Also don't forget that good form is going to reduce the chance of injury

sidewinder22 02-29-2020 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by wims (Post 3555388)
Also don't forget that good form is often going to reduce the chance of injury

Added bold.

And just because someone is a top pro or throws far, doesn't always mean they have good form. Just look at ball golf and the injury history of modern swingers(Tiger Woods, Brooks Koepka, Jordan Spieth, Justin Thomas, Jason Day, Rory McIlroy, Lexi Thompson) vs classic swingers (Ben Hogan, Jack Nicklaus, Phil Mickelson, Sergio Garcia).

Jay Dub 02-29-2020 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by sidewinder22 (Post 3555428)
Added bold.

And just because someone is a top pro or throws far, doesn't always mean they have good form. Just look at ball golf and the injury history of modern swingers(Tiger Woods, Brooks Koepka, Jordan Spieth, Justin Thomas, Jason Day, Rory McIlroy, Lexi Thompson) vs classic swingers (Ben Hogan, Jack Nicklaus, Phil Mickelson, Sergio Garcia).

If I remember correctly Arnold Palmer didn't look too good on the tee.

wolfmandragon 02-29-2020 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Jay Dub (Post 3555436)
If I remember correctly Arnold Palmer didn't look too good on the tee.

Agreed, but it was a consistent swing... and accurate.... and prettier than Moe Norman's.

Is it not ironic that the most accurate golf player ever had the ugliest swing?

sidewinder22 02-29-2020 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by wolfmandragon (Post 3555464)
Agreed, but it was a consistent swing... and accurate.... and prettier than Moe Norman's.

Is it not ironic that the most accurate golf player ever had the ugliest swing?

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Unless we are talking about Charles Barkley.

I like Moe's younger swing which most people have never seen, it was very much like Ben Hogan and Greg Norman:

bananas1023 03-01-2020 02:17 AM

Brodie signed up for another tournament.

Titan037 03-01-2020 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by bananas1023 (Post 3555562)
Brodie signed up for another tournament.

Which one?

Discette 03-01-2020 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by bananas1023 (Post 3555562)
Brodie signed up for another tournament.

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Originally Posted by Titan037 (Post 3555590)
Which one?


Gosh, if only we knew his full name and PDGA number, we could Google it. ;)

knivvves 03-01-2020 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Titan037 (Post 3555590)
Which one?

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304DiscSlinger 03-02-2020 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by wolfmandragon (Post 3555464)
Agreed, but it was a consistent swing... and accurate.... and prettier than Moe Norman's.

Is it not ironic that the most accurate golf player ever had the ugliest swing?

Did you ever see Moe hit balls in person? Amazing! You could put a throw blanket on the range and he'd hit every one on a straight line and land every ball on the blanket. I worked in the golf business for 20 years, have played golf since I was 10...there was no better ball striker than Moe...

304DiscSlinger 03-02-2020 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by sidewinder22 (Post 3555514)
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Unless we are talking about Charles Barkley.

I like Moe's younger swing which most people have never seen, it was very much like Ben Hogan and Greg Norman:

Young, old, it didn't matter...ever swing was the exact same. And the results were the exact same.

sidewinder22 03-02-2020 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by 304DiscSlinger (Post 3556049)
Young, old, it didn't matter...ever swing was the exact same.

Not true. He talked about some swing changes he made.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDuWxWo0Ygw&t=8m45s

304DiscSlinger 03-02-2020 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by sidewinder22 (Post 3556065)
Not true. He talked about some swing changes he made.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDuWxWo0Ygw&t=8m45s

I don't mean his swing was the same from his early days to his later days. I mean the swing he was using at that time was the exact same swing every time. His ability to have a repetitious swing allowed him to hit the ball the same distance every time with the club he was using and the result of the shot was the same, shot after shot.

brutalbrutus 03-03-2020 12:00 AM

Don't look at Furyk's swing... Talk about moving parts...:eek:

brutalbrutus 03-03-2020 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Discette (Post 3555598)
Gosh, if only we knew his full name and PDGA number, we could Google it. ;)

Lol, you gotta love people sometimes. Also, the OP has the link in it.

304DiscSlinger 03-03-2020 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by brutalbrutus (Post 3556457)
Don't look at Furyk's swing... Talk about moving parts...:eek:

Take back way outside, drop it way inside and square it up at impact.

That's the difference between the average golfer and the pros...the pros are always on line and square at impact. That's also the key to hitting straight shots...being squared up at impact. It doesn't matter how the swing is...look at Furyk and Trevino, perfect examples...but they are/were always squared at impact. The swing doesn't always have to be on plane, but the clubface must be square at impact.

By "square" at impact...I mean the clubface is square (ie. pointing directly down the target line towards their target) at impact (ie. the moment the ball and clubface meet).

wolfmandragon 03-03-2020 10:58 AM

There is a bit of Furyk in Simon. He pulls his distance drive off line but he is square at the hit.

Ricky pulls a bit off line as well, not as bad as Simon, but is back on line at the hit as well.

Both throw very well, showing that how one gets to the power pocket is not as important as what happens in it.

jturn 03-03-2020 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by brutalbrutus (Post 3555046)
I tried that hop thing for awhile after realizing the x-step was throwing my fatness off balance and just couldn't get it right and eventually settled into more of a shuffle. Very hard on my shoe's soles though, lol

Yes!!! The Truffle Shuffle. I think I do that too.

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sidewinder22 03-03-2020 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by 304DiscSlinger (Post 3556075)
I don't mean his swing was the same from his early days to his later days. I mean the swing he was using at that time was the exact same swing every time. His ability to have a repetitious swing allowed him to hit the ball the same distance every time with the club he was using and the result of the shot was the same, shot after shot.

He had the most consistent swing, but nobody swings "exactly the same every time", it's physically impossible, unless you are the Iron Bryon.
https://www.adamyounggolf.com/why-yo...swing-changes/

304DiscSlinger 03-03-2020 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by sidewinder22 (Post 3556859)
He had the most consistent swing, but nobody swings "exactly the same every time", it's physically impossible, unless you are the Iron Bryon.
https://www.adamyounggolf.com/why-yo...swing-changes/

Moe Norman did...

sidewinder22 03-03-2020 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by 304DiscSlinger (Post 3556864)
Moe Norman did...

https://media.giphy.com/media/5hc2bkC60heU/giphy.gif

Jay Dub 03-03-2020 06:44 PM

lol ^^

I always said if they could make a robot to play disc golf Steve Wisecup should be their prototype. Most consistent smooth form I've ever seen.

He was the "logo" for a while.


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