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Nick Pacific 03-08-2020 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by brutalbrutus (Post 3559063)
View counts are a strange thing. There is this fishing channel I watch, Milliken Fishing. He has just under 300k subs but some of his best vids are older ones and only have 15k or 30k views. But he has some random normal vids that hit 1mil and who knows why...

There is still a lot of randomness in the algorithms that YouTube uses to promote videos on the home and recommendations pages/tabs, which are the way to hit huge view counts. For sure Youtube is actively promoting kid and family friendly videos. It absolutely shows favoritism towards mainstream news channels over independent content. And it definitely has a left leaning political bias.

If content fits the gap of anyone of those 3, it has a much higher chance of hitting the YouTube algorithmic lottery and ending up in the recommended feeds. We saw that with Jomez Pro Worlds hitting way over 1 million views. You see this with random cat and animal videos, kids promoting toys, and mainstream news channels despite the fact that their cable ratings are failing and nobody trusts anything they say.

Nick Pacific 03-08-2020 09:50 AM

Disc golf hits the kid and family friendly content pulse of the YouTube algorithm. The future (and present really) is to keep discgolf content kid and family friendly. There has always been a push for professionalism in the sport especially over the last decade. It was certainly the right move, because that professionalism has lead the way to making family friendly content for Youtube which coincidentally is exactly what they are actively promoting. Discgolf is in a prime spot for growth over YouTube, and will only continue to exponentially increase in viewership.

I don't think anyone would have predicted it would be YouTube that pushed our sport into the mainstream, but that certainly looks to be the case now.

Ryan P. 03-08-2020 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Nick Pacific (Post 3559141)
Disc golf hits the kid and family friendly content pulse of the YouTube algorithm. The future (and present really) is to keep discgolf content kid and family friendly. There has always been a push for professionalism in the sport especially over the last decade. It was certainly the right move, because that professionalism has lead the way to making family friendly content for Youtube which coincidentally is exactly what they are actively promoting. Discgolf is in a prime spot for growth over YouTube, and will only continue to exponentially increase in viewership.

I don't think anyone would have predicted it would be YouTube that pushed our sport into the mainstream, but that certainly looks to be the case now.


While I want DG to remain kid/family friendly, I don't think we should do it because the Youtube algorithm encourages it. You may or may not be saying that; I'm being clear that DG doesn't need to cater to a computer's logic, and shouldn't.

If the sport grows, it grows. If it doesn't, it doesn't. I don't let computers decide how I live.

DoWork 03-10-2020 08:40 AM

923

If I had more time I’d use a hilariously trolly .gif to get the blood flowing for the Brodie Rage Choir. I’m popping popcorn, this is going to be awesome.

TheOtherBill 03-10-2020 10:49 AM

Looks like he gets on the lead card on Thursday at Waco. PLaying with McBeth might help him as they are used to being on camera together.

https://i.redd.it/1g140ckiwul41.jpg

wims 03-10-2020 10:55 AM

Weird that they put somebody who's playing his first tournament on the feature card.

Streets 03-10-2020 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by wims (Post 3560030)
Weird that they put somebody who's playing his first tournament on the feature card.

Not really, all things considered

drk_evns 03-10-2020 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by wims (Post 3560030)
Weird that they put somebody who's playing his first tournament on the feature card.



That doesn’t make sense to you? The former ultimate superstar turned YouTube sensation turned professional golf prospect turned pro disc golfer doesn’t seem like a interesting story to you?

Imagine if this were the olympics. They’d be covering Brodie’s story 24/7.

My point is: this is entertainment. More entertaining people = more views. The video will get many many more views than if Brodie wasn’t on the card.

To me that’s a good thing.

BuiltTooLong 03-10-2020 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by wims (Post 3560030)
Weird that they put somebody who's playing his first tournament on the feature card.

Good way to get people to pay that subscription fee. Honestly they would be idiots not to feature him in his 1st full event.

wims 03-10-2020 11:07 AM

It makes sense, but it's still weird

Nick Pacific 03-10-2020 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryan P. (Post 3559323)
While I want DG to remain kid/family friendly, I don't think we should do it because the Youtube algorithm encourages it. You may or may not be saying that. I'm being clear that DG doesn't need to cater to a computer's logic, and shouldn't.

If the sport grows, it grows. If it doesn't, it doesn't. I don't let computers decide how I live.

It's not the computer's logic. It's culture first, computational logic following that. Youtube is merely following the cultural trend. Everyone knows YouTube is the TV of the future, that's obvious at this point. Cable is dying a slow death as we speak.

If you want a channel that is profitable on that network, you'd best be served making family friendly content or YouTube will bury you into obscurity. We are already seeing that with independent content producers getting their channels yanked off with even the slightest amount of politically incorrect/controversial content. There is no reason for professional Disc Golf to even tread into those waters.

Notice I said professional, and profitable.
There is plenty of room available for independent discgolf content creators to venture into politically incorrect and/or controversial content. Just don't expect it to be monetized in any significant way, or expect to get any support from the major manufacturers or sponsors.

DiscFifty 03-10-2020 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by mizunodave (Post 3559053)
You believe "Brodie's Smith's 1st round of Disc Golf (18 holes)" from 3 weeks ago and currently at 167k views is going to go up to 500k views?

maybe...but not anytime soon. Back in Brodies heyday he would get 500-800k-1mil views in a matter of days, weeks. His active viewing base (not his subscriber base) seems to be much smaller, probably due to him branching out and trying the bro thing, the ball golf thing, etc. (I subscribe to a few channels than have similar subscriber numbers and they get way higher views early on.)

I think he realized he would have a better chance at being a big fish in the disc golf world compared to being a much smaller fish in the ball golf world. Time and money (and getting married recently), will tell if he stays in the sport long term.

F. Howl 03-10-2020 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by wims (Post 3560037)
It makes sense, but it's still weird

This statement doesn't make sense, but I agree.

wims 03-10-2020 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by F. Howl (Post 3560159)
This statement doesn't make sense, but I agree.

It makes sense from a hype point of view, but it's weird that DGPT have chosen to devalue the legitimacy of their brand. DGPT is supposed to be the pinnacle of professional disc golf, so it's weird that they are featuring a player who haven't played a single tournament in his life. This mismatch makes it weird

Streets 03-10-2020 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by wims (Post 3560203)
It makes sense from a hype point of view, but it's weird that DGPT have chosen to devalue the legitimacy of their brand. DGPT is supposed to be the pinnacle of professional disc golf, so it's weird that they are featuring a player who haven't played a single tournament in his life. This mismatch makes it weird

There is nothing "professional" about feature cards. Their only purpose is to get views and nothing else...which I would say is pretty on-brand for DGPT.

VictorB 03-10-2020 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by wims (Post 3560203)
It makes sense from a hype point of view, but it's weird that DGPT have chosen to devalue the legitimacy of their brand. DGPT is supposed to be the pinnacle of professional disc golf, so it's weird that they are featuring a player who haven't played a single tournament in his life. This mismatch makes it weird

If LeBron James started playing professional disc golf, you can bet your arse that he's on the R1 feature card for his first event. And probably every single event he plays after that too

It's not devaluing the brand at all, it's smart marketing.

Hampstead 03-10-2020 03:36 PM

Weema! Weema!

mshelton 03-10-2020 03:50 PM

I may be mistaken but I thought I remember there being something like "fan choice" players as members on a feature card before, I want to say they were usually local guys too.

Hyzer Ale 03-10-2020 04:48 PM

Is there going to be post-round production of this or is the subscription the only way to watch?

jvphobic 03-10-2020 05:09 PM

The subscription will be the only way to watch as of now. What the DGPT decides to do later in the season is still up for some debate. But the subscription will be the only way to watch in the near future.

wolfmandragon 03-10-2020 05:37 PM

Oh well, No way in hell will I watch live disc golf. I have a life

Hampstead 03-10-2020 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by wolfmandragon (Post 3560297)
Oh well, No way in hell will I watch live disc golf. I have a life

Your comment seems to imply that people who watch live coverage have no life and that's rude.

ejvogie 03-10-2020 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by jvphobic (Post 3560276)
The subscription will be the only way to watch as of now. What the DGPT decides to do later in the season is still up for some debate. But the subscription will be the only way to watch in the near future.

I guess I won't get to see Brody Plinko his way down the fairways then

:shrugsmiley:

wolfmandragon 03-10-2020 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Hampstead (Post 3560300)
Your comment seems to imply that people who watch live coverage have no life and that's rude.

Nah, when I am being rude, I make sure everyone knows it. You have seen me be rude; it doesn't look like this.

I have a busy life and I am blessed. I neither have the time, nor the inclination, to watch live disc golf. My comments are directed at the producers, not the watchers.

Perhaps you are reading too much into it.

brutalbrutus 03-10-2020 06:25 PM

I have no life...:|

ejvogie 03-10-2020 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by brutalbrutus (Post 3560313)
I have no life...:|

Nor do I, so I'm not going to spend what little I have watching 6 hours of TV when I could be tossing plastic

Ryan P. 03-10-2020 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Hampstead (Post 3560300)
Your comment seems to imply that people who watch live coverage have no life and that's rude.

This is wolfman being rude? hahahahaha

Hampstead 03-10-2020 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by wolfmandragon (Post 3560311)
Nah, when I am being rude, I make sure everyone knows it. You have seen me be rude; it doesn't look like this.

I have a busy life and I am blessed. I neither have the time, nor the inclination, to watch live disc golf. My comments are directed at the producers, not the watchers.

Perhaps you are reading too much into it.

I was being sarcastic. I have no idea who you are.

Jimb 03-10-2020 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by jvphobic (Post 3560276)
The subscription will be the only way to watch as of now. What the DGPT decides to do later in the season is still up for some debate. But the subscription will be the only way to watch in the near future.

So I know that I missed the answer to my question somewhere, and could find it eventually, but...

Is the subscription only for the live coverage or does it gain access to some post produced product?

I can't (actually I am able to, but I choose not to) commit the time to live coverage and really enjoy the post produced product. I'd probably be willing to pay a small fee for some good ppp.

Thanks.

ToddL 03-10-2020 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimb (Post 3560369)
So I know that I missed the answer to my question somewhere, and could find it eventually, but...

Is the subscription only for the live coverage or does it gain access to some post produced product?

I can't (actually I am able to, but I choose not to) commit the time to live coverage and really enjoy the post produced product. I'd probably be willing to pay a small fee for some good ppp.

Thanks.

Jomez and CCDG and Gatekeeper and GK (plus or minus) will be pumping out normal, free, day-after, shot-by-shot coverage, just as they have been doing for years. Only the live coverage is behind the paywall on DGN, and the final round live coverage will also be free on YouTube.
There will also be bonus content behind the paywall on DGN.

VictorB 03-10-2020 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by wolfmandragon (Post 3560297)
Oh well, No way in hell will I watch live disc golf. I have a life

Your post count seems to indicate otherwise

wolfmandragon 03-10-2020 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by VictorB (Post 3560431)
Your post count seems to indicate otherwise

Touché

aredoubles 03-10-2020 10:30 PM

People complaining about the length of live broadcasts - do realize that you can load it up afterwards, and easily skip forward/back with buttons and/or arrow keys and/or double-taps. Really only takes 15 minutes to skip through and see all the highlights. I do this anyway with all the post-produced stuff too, I don’t care about the tap-ins, follow flight, drone flyovers, slo-mo, etc anymore. Live and post are really not that different at that point then.

ThrowBot 03-10-2020 11:23 PM

Got the DGN app for Android. Clean interface, and the video plays smoothly. Same for my laptop, playing on Chrome via recent Windows OS. Good video quality, too!

I know that live streaming is a different animal, but it seems like they're putting their best foot forward.

I hope to get silky smooth, live footage of Brodie shanking OB ... and McBeth pretending to be surprised ;)

brutalbrutus 03-11-2020 12:58 AM


brutalbrutus 03-11-2020 01:17 AM

Brodie doesn't actually throw any shots in that vid. Its basically Jerm and Paul giving some advice on tourney prep and some insight into what they are they thinking when they are faced with certain shots.

Flick Maniac 03-11-2020 05:34 AM

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Originally Posted by jvphobic (Post 3560276)
The subscription will be the only way to watch as of now. What the DGPT decides to do later in the season is still up for some debate. But the subscription will be the only way to watch in the near future.

Watch what? Live? Post-pro of the card that was on live?

chosenmatrix 03-11-2020 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by VictorB (Post 3560431)
Your post count seems to indicate otherwise

Anyone posting on page 92 of a Disc Golf Forum thread dedicated to a 930-something rated disc golfer are all in the same boat :D:D

ToddL 03-11-2020 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Flick Maniac (Post 3560518)
Watch what? Live? Post-pro of the card that was on live?

Brodie's card is live only and behind the paywall. There is no planned post-production of that card (though JV has floated the idea of a smashcutt style recap that would remain on DGN)

Jomez/CCDG/Gatekeeper/GK will be filming other cards to be released for free on YouTube as next-day post-production.

biscoe 03-11-2020 09:30 AM

At least they announced the conversion to reality tv before i spent my $8.99.


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