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GoobyPls 01-03-2020 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by brutalbrutus (Post 3533461)
He lives somewhere around Dayton, Ohio I believe. I remember talking to him once on here and we had just been on the same course at the same time.

It's a pretty good hotbed for DG. Dayton and Cincy both have thriving scenes and Columbus isn't far away and they also have pretty good DG.

Yep, just south of Dayton, so most of the Cincy and northern Kentucky courses are within an hour's drive. That includes Lincoln Ridge and Idlewild. We almost have too many quality choices here.

DiscFifty 01-03-2020 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Danderlion (Post 3533576)
I'd be shocked if he can't already throw over 400' consistently.

The guy is huge (6'5") and been launching lids his entire life.

Those ultimate players have great wrist snap. If disc golf was played with putters and mids only, they could easily climb to the top of the distance elite imop, but fast drivers require more arm speed and I think..that's where they are lacking at least..initially. ? ? ?

wolfmandragon 01-03-2020 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by DiscFifty (Post 3533600)
Those ultimate players have great wrist snap. If disc golf was played with putters and mids only, they could easily climb to the top of the distance elite imop, but fast drivers require more arm speed and I think..that's where they are lacking at least..initially. ? ? ?

"Arm speed" guys uselly strong arm the disc into a throwler. Snap is important to keep the disc flying stable even with wrap speed drivers. Bent arm throwers still get snap from the wrist, so does the other forms, but maybe not as focused on the wrist snap.

Disc golf requires different body dynamics than Ulitmate does, that is the big difference. In disc golf we do not have to worry about defenders blocking our shots and we are allowed to move with the disc in hand.

gabereif 01-03-2020 10:48 AM

I played a round with Brodie in 2014 at Seymour Smith park in Omaha, NE. I was traveling there for work and was playing a solo round when I spotted him on the course. I'm a fan (I have played lots of ultimate) and went over to greet him. He invited me to join him for the rest of the round he was playing with employees from DiscStore.com. He was in town doing promotional work with them. He threw a Pole Cat and was not very good. Afterward we all went out for Cuban food. It was pretty freaking cool! I found Brodie to be pretty pompous and boisterous, but he seemed to have a nice heart. Definitely not someone I'd choose to be close friends with, however.

Mocheez 01-03-2020 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by brutalbrutus (Post 3533461)
Itís a pretty good hotbed for DG. Dayton and Cincy both have thriving scenes and Columbus isn't far away and they also have pretty good DG.

Thatís why I was surprised to see that Ohioís top rated course is only 4.13.

Jay Dub 01-03-2020 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Mocheez (Post 3533630)
Thatís why I was surprised to see that Ohioís top rated course is only 4.13.

But there are a lot of courses in that range with more added recently.
Armco, Ceasars Ford, Hidden Ridge and Southfork are 4 recent courses that should match that type of rating.
SW Ohio also includes Northern Ky where Idlewild and Lincoln Ridge are located.

wolfmandragon 01-03-2020 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by GoobyPls (Post 3533591)
Yep, just south of Dayton, so most of the Cincy and northern Kentucky courses are within an hour's drive. That includes Lincoln Ridge and Idlewild. We almost have too many quality choices here.

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Originally Posted by Mocheez (Post 3533630)
That’s why I was surprised to see that Ohio’s top rated course is only 4.13.

I don't want to step on toes, but I spend a week in Miamisburg/Germantown every year and the only decent course I have found in the Dayton area is Scyamore Trails.

Now that hell wind that is always blowing off the river, it makes that course so much harder than the layout suggests.

Perhaps I need to contact you GoobyPls, before I go next year to get recommendations of where to play.

Hampstead 01-03-2020 11:32 AM

Has Brodie Smith peaked?

wims 01-03-2020 11:33 AM

definitely

F. Howl 01-03-2020 11:45 AM


Jolt 01-03-2020 11:52 AM

He has a video where he throws a disc 82 MPH . . thatīs faster than Eagle or Simon on CCDG . .how is that possible?

BionicRib 01-03-2020 12:44 PM

I’m guessing his first pdga rating will exceed 970

GoobyPls 01-03-2020 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by wolfmandragon (Post 3533634)
I don't want to step on toes, but I spend a week in Miamisburg/Germantown every year and the only decent course I have found in the Dayton area is Scyamore Trails.

Now that hell wind that is always blowing off the river, it makes that course so much harder than the layout suggests.

Perhaps I need to contact you GoobyPls, before I go next year to get recommendations of where to play.

Armco and Caesar Ford both opened in the last year, and both are excellent. Definitely make time to play both of those when you're in town. I'm near Miamisburg and can be a course guide if you need one.

InnocentCrook 01-03-2020 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by GoobyPls (Post 3533591)
We almost have too many quality choices here.

Quiet with that nonsense!

jakebake91 01-03-2020 01:35 PM

I want to look at it this way for a second....how many of Brodie's viewers would actually care about DG? Yes, the sheer odds say a bunch, but really? If Jomez for example put out a bunch of ultimate Frisbee content, how many of us would watch? Or care? Or immediately want to pick up the sport? It's not the right target audience.

How much really is he going to move the needle?

jakebake91 01-03-2020 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Jolt (Post 3533652)
He has a video where he throws a disc 82 MPH . . thatīs faster than Eagle or Simon on CCDG . .how is that possible?

They were throwing golf lines, right? Betcha one of them (or a few others) could touch the 80's with an all out throw just for the radar gun. Not sure the injury risk would be worth it either And didn't Eagle hit like 86 with a PD2 roller on film? I remember the commentators being in utter disbelief.

wolfmandragon 01-03-2020 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by jakebake91 (Post 3533677)
They were throwing golf lines, right? Betcha one of them (or a few others) could touch the 80's with an all out throw just for the radar gun. Not sure the injury risk would be worth it either And didn't Eagle hit like 86 with a PD2 roller on film? I remember the commentators being in utter disbelief.

Speed is not the end-all be-all; pitch, rotation, Yaw and OAT also come into play for max distance.

Look how far GG throws and he does not put near as much effort into his drives as the other top 10 distance throwers.

F. Howl 01-03-2020 02:10 PM

The pull has similar mechanics. Higher line due to the understability of an Ultrastar, and further from the chest due to the width. I bet Brodie is going to get distance in no time.

Hampstead 01-03-2020 02:10 PM

Simon broke 90 several times



takman 01-03-2020 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by shakatak (Post 3533578)
Here's a novel idea: why don't we wait and see how it turns out before trying to assume his motivation for doing this? I find him kind of annoying on his videos but I'm also willing to wait and see what happens with him before judging this whole venture.

He plastered a pic of himself and his card on Twitter so it's open season. I think the guy likes people talking about him.

GMcAtee 01-03-2020 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by GoobyPls (Post 3533591)
Yep, just south of Dayton, so most of the Cincy and northern Kentucky courses are within an hour's drive. That includes Lincoln Ridge and Idlewild. We almost have too many quality choices here.

Wish I still had that selection of quality courses around me!

Chains Bailey 01-03-2020 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by jakebake91 (Post 3533676)
I want to look at it this way for a second....how many of Brodie's viewers would actually care about DG? Yes, the sheer odds say a bunch, but really? If Jomez for example put out a bunch of ultimate Frisbee content, how many of us would watch? Or care? Or immediately want to pick up the sport? It's not the right target audience.

How much really is he going to move the needle?

THIS is what I am interested in and I would venture a guess that he does move the needle quite a bit from a business perspective. Agreed on the point about not a lot of people taking up ultimate if Jomez offered it up, but I think that is jaded by the fact that many already have a #1 passion/hobby in their life.

Many comments I see on Jomez videos are along the lines of "I just stumbled upon this channel" and now they have tried + love disc golf. I think any disc golf media company would love to have Brodie interact in between holes with comments of "These guys are good" and other quirky light-hearted things. Also, him just genuinely being amazed by the skills of the top disc golfers. Seems such a WIN-WIN for a media company.

I have always imagined the people who watch Brodie are the same that watch Dude Perfect - just a bunch of people with expendable time on their hands. Introduce an activity that is inexpensive and requires little effort to enjoy and I think that demographic of people are ripe to pick the game up....I mean be exploited. (Just wanted to use that word and feel the essence of being a bitter Snowflake).

Take out the Bro-isms' and this cat has some celebrity that could add some legitimacy to his eligibility to participate with our royalty. <Yeah, I did that on purpose........just feeeeling the Bro'.

Hampstead 01-03-2020 03:32 PM

It's 2020. Can we agree to leave the way overused "snowflake" in the last decade?

shakatak 01-03-2020 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by takman (Post 3533703)
He plastered a pic of himself and his card on Twitter so it's open season. I think the guy likes people talking about him.

Correct but I'm just saying why don't we wait until he is actually an obnoxious d-bag in a tournament setting before saying he's going to be an obnoxious d-bag in a tournament setting. If that does happen then we can all pile on at that time.

Nobody knows his motivations for doing this except him. Oh yeah, and this disc golf guy who thinks he's Marge Simpson warning us all about the evil Monorail salesman:
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Originally Posted by JTacoma03 (Post 3533541)
This dude just wants to exploit us for his ad revenue checks.

Maybe JTacoma is correct, maybe not. Let's say he is correct. How are we being "exploited" if we're just playing casual and tournament disc golf the same as we would with no Brodie Smith around?

biscoe 01-03-2020 04:17 PM

JTacoma has more firsthand experience with BS than everyone else in this thread combined.

wolfmandragon 01-03-2020 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by shakatak (Post 3533729)
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Maybe JTacoma is correct, maybe not. Let's say he is correct. How are we being "exploited" if we're just playing casual and tournament disc golf the same as we would with no Brodie Smith around?

It appears the JTacoma believes that this is a zero sum game... which of course, it is not.

F. Howl 01-03-2020 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by jakebake91 (Post 3533676)
I want to look at it this way for a second....how many of Brodie's viewers would actually care about DG? Yes, the sheer odds say a bunch, but really? If Jomez for example put out a bunch of ultimate Frisbee content, how many of us would watch? Or care? Or immediately want to pick up the sport? It's not the right target audience.

How much really is he going to move the needle?

I love ultimate highlights. Follow more Ultimate content on Instagram than disc golf, because 100% of it are crazy bids and hucks. Never have or would play, though. Catch with an Ultrastar is as far as I go (like the guy below) Just into "frisbee" culture, and I imagine some Ultimate players feel the same.

jakebake91 01-03-2020 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Hampstead (Post 3533694)
Simon broke 90 several times



Do those dudes have a flipping death wish???? What in the actual f@#$ would posses you to stand in front of something like that????

Nova P 01-03-2020 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by biscoe (Post 3533743)
JTacoma has more firsthand experience with BS than everyone else in this thread combined.

I'm not too sure about that. I've put up with some incredible bu--

Oh, that BS. Never mind. :D

wolfmandragon 01-03-2020 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by jakebake91 (Post 3533749)
Do those dudes have a flipping death wish???? What in the actual f@#$ would posses you to stand in front of something like that????

Those are GUTS discs, they are made for this. These are not wrap speed drivers that will slice and dice... they still are gonna sting though.

Here is Will throwing an 80 MPH GUTS throw, without an X step... and it was caught.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GCM4mUqlX8

Chains Bailey 01-03-2020 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by biscoe (Post 3533743)
JTacoma has more firsthand experience with BS than everyone else in this thread combined.

Agreed, but first hand knowledge does not excuse asinine comments.

You are not exploiting us by being a course designer anymore than a local Pro making some money by winning events. Being "serious" about disc golf is not a prerequisite to participate in the sport, whether for financial gain or simple fun.

Chains Bailey 01-03-2020 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Hampstead (Post 3533726)
It's 2020. Can we agree to leave the way overused "snowflake" in the last decade?

No, because on the other side of the coin you would have to retire a small novel of over used words.

Hampstead 01-03-2020 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Chains Bailey (Post 3533758)
No, because on the other side of the coin you would have to retire a small novel of over used words.

https://media0.giphy.com/media/2Xskd...eLPq/giphy.gif

biscoe 01-03-2020 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Chains Bailey (Post 3533757)
Agreed, but first hand knowledge does not excuse asinine comments.

You are not exploiting us by being a course designer anymore than a local Pro making some money by winning events. Being "serious" about disc golf is not a prerequisite to participate in the sport, whether for financial gain or simple fun.

Define exploit. I tend to agree with him about BS.

Darrington disc 01-03-2020 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Darrington disc (Post 3533480)
Small 9 hole courses help the sport for sure. We have one here and often the 10-15yo crowd outnumbers us. They cannot drive but still have a place to play

What I should have said is they cannot drive a car. With discs many of them do drive quite well. 50/50 if I can win a round with them

tallpaul 01-03-2020 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by jakebake91 (Post 3533749)
Do those dudes have a flipping death wish???? What in the actual f@#$ would posses you to stand in front of something like that????

In the very early days, guts was as big, if not bigger than disc golf. I purchased the first 3 discs I ever bought from a guts guy.

Casey 1988 01-03-2020 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DiscFifty (Post 3533600)
Those ultimate players have great wrist snap. If disc golf was played with putters and mids only, they could easily climb to the top of the distance elite imop, but fast drivers require more arm speed and I think..that's where they are lacking at least..initially. ? ? ?

I think Brodie has a bag that about 50% of the discs would be legal for the Retro Class, the type of discs that are missing the beveled edge. That or he uses heavily the Condor and similar larger then 180 gram diameter disc golf discs for his game.

davetherocketguy 01-03-2020 08:09 PM

My prediction for the Brodhim:

- Won't even get a sniff of the top 20 in any major tourney. Not even close.
- Courtesy violations.
- Selfies
- Instagram
- Distracting camera crew
- Looses interest after half a season

Like him or hate him I think this sport needs more personality and he will provide oodles of that.

Hampstead 01-03-2020 08:23 PM

Fewer silent Heimburgs, sure. But Bro D Smith types aren't the solution either.

brutalbrutus 01-03-2020 11:41 PM

Doesn't this guy play ball golf too? I'm sure has some idea about on course etiquette...


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