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InDaWoodsDiscN419 03-14-2020 04:07 AM

Tickless Rick...
 
:D:D
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Originally Posted by Flick Maniac (Post 3561188)
Yeah dude. Tickless Rick all day and you got yourself a ballgame. Well, a disc game to be exact.

Not elitist but just dont enjoy watching subpar throws when it not myself or my buddies throwing. A lot of the time I dont watch them either. Makes looking for the discs a PITA

Hard enough to find my own discs while avoiding hordes of lyme ticks.

You doth bequeath him Tickless Rick. LOL, funniest thing I've seen in these scary Corona times.

Flick Maniac 03-14-2020 10:41 AM

I do that shot often if I am totally piched off in the right side of the fairway and the only way to get any distance is to reach over my head and throw it upside down on a forehand. Usually with a mid. Can get pretty sick shots way down the fairway. Would never really think about putting with it tho.

Three Putt 03-14-2020 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by DoWork (Post 3561201)
More likely is he will be inconsistent and nobody will ever shut up.

I mean this is how hype works, right? If no one ever shuts up and things like this thread are on the front page with recent posts and us yammering about him, it's working. Right?

So far as publicity stunts go, this one worked perfectly. It has the disc golf community talking endlessly about him and presumably has his followers watching and possibly playing disc golf. Win/win. This would be a good time for his followers to try disc golf; the pandemic has pretty much everything else shut down but the park is open...get out of the house and frolf some!

*logs off to go frolf*

Hampstead 03-14-2020 11:47 AM

Brodie tied AJ in his first tournament. Interesting.

DoWork 03-14-2020 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Three Putt (Post 3562345)
I mean this is how hype works, right? If no one ever shuts up and things like this thread are on the front page with recent posts and us yammering about him, it's working. Right?

So far as publicity stunts go, this one worked perfectly. It has the disc golf community talking endlessly about him and presumably has his followers watching and possibly playing disc golf. Win/win. This would be a good time for his followers to try disc golf; the pandemic has pretty much everything else shut down but the park is open...get out of the house and frolf some!

*logs off to go frolf*


Precisely! Thatís why I never really understood the vitriol towards a newcomer- any newcomer!

Consult20 03-14-2020 02:06 PM

Hey hey, Brodie's first-round edited Waco video coming to YouTube soon! :clap:


https://mobile.twitter.com/DiscGolfP...71026605457408

jakebake91 03-14-2020 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Consult20 (Post 3562411)
Hey hey, Brodie's first-round edited Waco video coming to YouTube soon! :clap:


https://mobile.twitter.com/DiscGolfP...71026605457408

I'm curious if the DGPT would have let that happen for anyone else? .....hmmm. but, awesome! I wanted to watch that round.

Consult20 03-14-2020 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by jakebake91 (Post 3562438)
I'm curious if the DGPT would have let that happen for anyone else? .....hmmm. but, awesome! I wanted to watch that round.

I don't know, but I think they really dropped the ball by making the 1st round of his 1st event PPV. It would have been priceless info seeing how many concurrent viewers his card would have had on Youtube live, as well as the rolling view numbers since the conclusion of the round. It was a one time chance to see what his influence would have been. With over 2 million Youtube subscribers and almost a million on Twitter and another million on Instagram, a simple click on a link to see him playing his first tournament live seemed like a no-brainer decision.

cheesethin 03-15-2020 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Consult20 (Post 3562463)
I don't know, but I think they really dropped the ball by making the 1st round of his 1st event PPV. It would have been priceless info seeing how many concurrent viewers his card would have had on Youtube live, as well as the rolling view numbers since the conclusion of the round. It was a one time chance to see what his influence would have been. With over 2 million Youtube subscribers and almost a million on Twitter and another million on Instagram, a simple click on a link to see him playing his first tournament live seemed like a no-brainer decision.

Haven't they got the best of both worlds?

They got the people who were interested enough in disc golf and the Brodie journey to sign up for the ppv round.

Now they are going to get everyone else via YouTube eyeballs.

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Consult20 03-15-2020 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by cheesethin (Post 3562608)
Haven't they got the best of both worlds?

They got the people who were interested enough in disc golf and the Brodie journey to sign up for the ppv round.

Now they are going to get everyone else via YouTube eyeballs.

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My point was that it was a missed opportunity.

cheesethin 03-15-2020 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Consult20 (Post 3562624)
My point was that it was a missed opportunity.

Ah, yes, just reread your post. You were talking about being able to measure his impact.

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ToddL 03-15-2020 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Consult20 (Post 3562624)
My point was that it was a missed opportunity.

Yet they capitalized on the opportunity to see how many paid subscribers they could get who wanted to see him play his first tournament. If they gave it away for free, it would have been a missed opportunity to raise their subscriber count.

Consult20 03-15-2020 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ToddL (Post 3562691)
Yet they capitalized on the opportunity to see how many paid subscribers they could get who wanted to see him play his first tournament. If they gave it away for free, it would have been a missed opportunity to raise their subscriber count.

Penny-wise and pound-foolish?

That was my immediate thought when they made that decision.

Cgkdisc 03-15-2020 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Consult20 (Post 3562698)
Penny-wise and pound-foolish?
That was my immediate thought when they made that decision.

The underlying primary goal for DGPT is to discover the most effective ways to monetize their tour for financial sustainability. Whether or not their experiments "grow the sport" are bonuses.

Consult20 03-15-2020 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Cgkdisc (Post 3562699)
The underlying primary goal for DGPT is to discover the most effective ways to monetize their tour for financial sustainability. Whether or not their experiments "grow the sport" are bonuses.

Yes, that was my point...

Penny Wise, Pound Foolish
There is a British saying, ďpenny wise, pound foolish -- making decisions with small amounts of money (pennies) that end up making bad sense for affecting larger amounts of money (pounds, as in Great British Pounds).Ē

DoWork 03-15-2020 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Cgkdisc (Post 3562699)
The underlying primary goal for DGPT is to discover the most effective ways to monetize their tour for financial sustainability. Whether or not their experiments "grow the sport" are bonuses.


Well yes but in order to monetize you must first quantify. If you donít collect sufficient data the ensuing valuation relies heavily on speculation and thatís obviously a less desirable metric.

Cgkdisc 03-15-2020 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DoWork (Post 3562706)
Well yes but in order to monetize you must first quantify. If you donít collect sufficient data the ensuing valuation relies heavily on speculation and thatís obviously a less desirable metric.

My point was they are running experiments and gathering data with their money and resources. Whether you think various experiments will work better than others is simply opinion at this point without sufficient data.

jvphobic 03-15-2020 01:37 PM

It was a VERY VERY successful weekend for the DGPT. We are happy and just hope to be able to maintain this momentum in the next few down weeks. Stay tuned for more info.

Penny-wise pound foolish VS Bird in the hand worth 2 in the bush.

drk_evns 03-15-2020 01:41 PM

I paid 8.99 to see the Brodie round and then never even found time to watch all of it. I love flipping on live disc golf when it happens to be on and I happen to have a chance watch it, but I doubt Iíll continue to pay 8.99 a month for the off chances the stars align.

DiscFifty 03-15-2020 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by drk_evns (Post 3562710)
I paid 8.99 to see the Brodie round and then never even found time to watch all of it. I love flipping on live disc golf when it happens to be on and I happen to have a chance watch it, but I doubt Iíll continue to pay 8.99 a month for the off chances the stars align.

uh.....you can watch the event 24/7 as a subscriber.

drk_evns 03-15-2020 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DiscFifty (Post 3562763)
uh.....you can watch the event 24/7 as a subscriber.



Yes, Iím aware, but 4 hours of disc golf becomes less and less appealing the further you get from when it actually happened. After I started seeing things about the round it became less and less interesting. I expect to watch the cut for this one and then just watch final rounds the rest of the season.

ToddL 03-15-2020 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Consult20 (Post 3562698)
Penny-wise and pound-foolish?

That was my immediate thought when they made that decision.

Maybe.

But he's already put out 20 videos in the last two months for free on YouTube that pull well over 100,000 views each. Is that not enough free exposure to his fans and subscribers? Would releasing a free, 4 hour video of live tournament coverage do something that he hasn't already done? Maybe he'd help set a new record for largest live broadcast ever. I guess that'd be cool and all, and he would rightly feel pretty proud, but would 20,000 free viewers going to move the needle more than 5,000 paid viewers? Would Bud Light see 20,000 viewers and all of the sudden decide to start sponsoring the tour?

Jugular 03-16-2020 03:15 AM

When I first saw that it would be PPV only I thought this was penny wise and pound foolish for some of the reasons stated above. Releasing a cut later seems like a fair attempt at a best of both worlds. Also, not announcing that plan at first will have tipped a few on the fence into subscribing. Some of those may now cancel subscriptions but others may remain. There may never have been a concrete plan on this but overall it checks out as good management to me.

Timthenchant3r 03-16-2020 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by DiscFifty (Post 3562763)
uh.....you can watch the event 24/7 as a subscriber.

No, because once the stream ended I had to wait until the next day before it was converted to video. If that turnaround time continues I might not stay subscribed either.

brutalbrutus 03-16-2020 11:55 AM

Looks like Brodie and some other pros pulled out of The Open(still a decent field though) this weekend and it looks like Jax Open is canceled...

Mocheez 03-16-2020 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Timthenchant3r (Post 3562883)
No, because once the stream ended I had to wait until the next day before it was converted to video. If that turnaround time continues I might not stay subscribed either.

They were slow for the first round. I was able to watch the second round later that night. Hopefully that trend continues.

I prefer skipping through the live stream vs. post-produced content. I prefer hearing authentic reactions from Jamie/Nate.

disco40 03-16-2020 02:34 PM

Pro Tour gave rd 1 to Brodie? Whoa, here on his channel:


brutalbrutus 03-16-2020 05:03 PM


phrumphkin 03-16-2020 10:38 PM

I don't understand...
 
...why these top dg pros are all bending over and offering up their brown eye pre-lubricated for this fairly bland, uninteresting brodie guy who has a mediocre youtube channel with an admittedly impressive couple mill following it... am I missing something? It's not even remotely interesting to watch him throw a disc, and it's amazing how much grovelling the mcbeths and pierces and memorials are offering this individual... no?

mizunodave 03-16-2020 10:48 PM

Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

McCready 03-16-2020 10:56 PM

Somebody had some fun with his Wikipedia page :D

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Brodie Smith (born August 29, 1987) is a former American Ultimate Disc League player and YouTube personality, best known for his frisbee trick shot videos.

Bogey rose to prominence as a premier ultimate player

disctildeath 03-16-2020 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by phrumphkin (Post 3563150)
...why these top dg pros are all bending over and offering up their brown eye pre-lubricated for this fairly bland, uninteresting brodie guy who has a mediocre youtube channel with an admittedly impressive couple mill following it... am I missing something? It's not even remotely interesting to watch him throw a disc, and it's amazing how much grovelling the mcbeths and pierces and memorials are offering this individual... no?

Someone apparently doesn't get freaky, or sick, you know bro?

Hampstead 03-16-2020 11:35 PM

Please, no more Brodie threads. Thanks.

brutalbrutus 03-16-2020 11:49 PM

Its like I said early in this thread...

A rising tide lifts all boats. ;)

It's not that hard to understand when you think about it in terms of the "influencer" side of today's pop culture and social media. The guy has a lot of followers(Probably more than all the DG content creators combined) and followers bring attention. Discraft wants a piece of that action and can you blame them? Even if only 1% of his YT subs start playing DG and buying DC discs... that's a crapload of plastic sold. The DGPT does also and is hoping it will help grow viewership.

Most of the pros I've met are really nice people and maybe they just like him and/or think helping him will help grow their brands.

disco40 03-17-2020 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by phrumphkin (Post 3563150)
...why these top dg pros are all bending over and offering up their brown eye pre-lubricated for this fairly bland, uninteresting brodie guy who has a mediocre youtube channel with an admittedly impressive couple mill following it... am I missing something? It's not even remotely interesting to watch him throw a disc, and it's amazing how much grovelling the mcbeths and pierces and memorials are offering this individual... no?

I'm loving his journey. There's a bit of a daydreaming element to it for me, I think. Here's what happens when somebody (with some relevant skills and athletic talent) gets built into a disc golfing machine by the top pros. It's a very interesting experiment, and it's also compelling because he's actually on that crazy fast track.

I can relate to his mistakes, his realizations, his superstitions, his nerves, and to all of the elements of his progress (except being able to throw really far). I like when he discovers something that I'm also discovering. I like to root for him.

I like that my favorite players are welcoming him into the sport and wishing for him to succeed. I'm going to buy their discs and watch their videos to show them that. I'm going to watch Drew Gibson's content because he's so gracious to Brodie, for instance. If I wasn't already a McBeth mark, I would become one for the same reason.

Bottom line, it's compelling, I'm "with him on the journey," and the pros who see that and embrace it are going to get my respect and my buck. Maybe that's not you, but that's okay.

dreadlock86 03-17-2020 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by phrumphkin (Post 3563150)
am I missing something?


the digital economy
a compelling narrative

or maybe a simpler explanation in the case of McBeth: sponsorship

i wasn't surprised to see a dozen videos with Paul following his signing with Discraft. Paul seems like a nice guy but i'm sure his participation was required.

Celos 03-17-2020 05:11 AM

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Originally Posted by dreadlock86 (Post 3563209)
Paul seems like a nice guy but i'm sure his participation was required.

McBeth would be an idiot to not want to do the videos. He's been hustling and building his personal brand for ages and suddenly has an opportunity to present it to potentially 2 million pairs of new eyeballs. Why would he pass that up?

Not to say that was the only motivation.

DiscFifty 03-17-2020 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by phrumphkin (Post 3563150)
...why these top dg pros are all bending over and offering up their brown eye pre-lubricated for this fairly bland, uninteresting brodie guy who has a mediocre youtube channel with an admittedly impressive couple mill following it... am I missing something? It's not even remotely interesting to watch him throw a disc, and it's amazing how much grovelling the mcbeths and pierces and memorials are offering this individual... no?

I'd be willing to bet Discraft is $trongly encouraging them all to play nice with Brodie in return for the exposure Brodie gives the Discraft brand via his social media channels.

"for this fairly bland, uninteresting brodie guy" I'm guessing the number of disc golf players that could shoot 980 rated rounds in their first pro tournament at 30+ years of age after only a few months taking the game serious, at one of the tougher courses on the tour, is very, very small. That makes the guy fairly interesting in my book.

drk_evns 03-17-2020 08:24 AM

Whatís with all the Brodie hate? Heís been in the Ultimate game forever and was a legend at it. Seems like a bunch of disc golfers would respect that if they also want people to respect their budding sport too.

Also the content has been great. Not bland.

treekickluv 03-17-2020 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by drk_evns (Post 3563235)
Whatís with all the Brodie hate? Heís been in the Ultimate game forever and was a legend at it. Seems like a bunch of disc golfers would respect that if they also want people to respect their budding sport too.

Also the content has been great. Not bland.

i respect his achievements in ultimate. tho his following in youtube is overexaggerated 10 fold. noone of his discgolf videos has over 200k viewers. ultimate players are drawn to discgolf by them self and i think there is another audience that doesnt even know discgolf exist. we need exposure to those people.


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