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Coldpunk 01-17-2020 03:13 PM

Incentive
 
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Originally Posted by Titan037 (Post 3537655)
he pretty much has residual income coming from YouTube from both his main channel and golf channel at this point, he can do whatever he wants with no limitations. as for his Discraft deal I don't think its as big as you think, certainly no where near Paul or Paige. I don't think he's doing it for free obviously but he does still need to prove himself on the course.


Im betting his contract is more complex than most sponsored players. Maybe incentives/bonuses for tournament appearances and for lead card/top ten finishes, but also lots of social media/YouTube collaboration with other Discraft team members on his platforms.

Titan037 01-17-2020 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Coldpunk (Post 3537669)
Im betting his contract is more complex than most sponsored players. Maybe incentives/bonuses for tournament appearances and for lead card/top ten finishes, but also lots of social media/YouTube collaboration with other Discraft team members on his platforms.

I have no doubt he will be a big consultant for the companyís social media and YouTube team thatís for sure. A lot of people are already speculating he influenced Hannah Mcbeths announcement about her move to discraft .

dorseymatt 01-17-2020 05:22 PM

I bet he performs at a 980-level or better basically right away. Should be interesting to follow.

TheirTheir 01-17-2020 05:28 PM

He has 2 million followers on youtube; 1 million followers on IG and I'm sure plenty on facebook as well. That's over 10x as many followers as Jomez. The second he decided to focus on disc golf, he became the biggest platform for disc golf. This is a marketing play by Discraft and it's a very good one.

DanJon 01-17-2020 07:03 PM

I mean he was technically already sponsored by Discraft in some form in his Ultimate days.

His old videos always give a nod to Discraft.

While I'm sure Discraft realizes the marketing potential, it was also a no brainer when he decided to go all in on disc golf.

BrotherDave 01-17-2020 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Jay Dub (Post 3537549)
He'll never be on a lead card. Putting will bring him down to earth.
IMO.

I feel like the guy that makes a living making trick shot videos of him putting discs into incredibly unlikely places will figure out putting. Just a hunch.

If anything hangs him up it's an injury IMO.

Jay Dub 01-17-2020 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by BrotherDave (Post 3537773)
I feel like the guy that makes a living making trick shot videos of him putting discs into incredibly unlikely places will figure out putting. Just a hunch.

If anything hangs him up it's an injury IMO.

I doubt very many of those trick shots are completed on the first try. No 2nd, 3rd or 4th takes with putting.

BrotherDave 01-17-2020 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Jay Dub (Post 3537774)
I doubt very many of those trick shots are completed on the first try. No 2nd, 3rd or 4th takes with putting.

I think the touch from being able to do those shots will translate into putting.

elmexdela 01-17-2020 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by BrotherDave (Post 3537778)
I think the touch from being able to do those shots will translate into putting.

do you truly believe this or is this a stretch

Titan037 01-17-2020 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by elmexdela (Post 3537779)
do you truly believe this or is this a stretch

I believe it. He posted an insta video draining ten in a row from 21 feet. Granted not a tournament realistic setting, but honestly the guy has an all around game as his base already. He can chuck a disc, he can putt, heís the touch for upshots. His biggest challenge will be angle control and shot shaping most likely. But I think thatís going to be a huge focus for him when he goes to stay with Paul and Simon.

Hampstead 01-17-2020 09:02 PM

Simon is an amazing trick shot disc golfer. He also has thrown over 1,000'. That has translated to DG popularity and...?

Brodie is no Simon.

Titan037 01-17-2020 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Hampstead (Post 3537783)
Simon is an amazing trick shot disc golfer. He also has thrown over 1,000'. That has translated to DG popularity and...?

Brodie is no Simon.

Simon is no Brodie either, just in a different way.

Hampstead 01-17-2020 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Titan037 (Post 3537787)
Simon is no Brodie either, just in a different way.

Uh, okay....

Titan037 01-17-2020 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Hampstead (Post 3537789)
Uh, okay....

My point is donít judge a book by its cover. The season hasnít even started yet.

brutalbrutus 01-17-2020 10:00 PM

I think one thing that should help him get to an elite level, is course management. How many times on here do "we" get on Simon or PP about being too aggressive? He spent a lot of time learning how to play ball golf and that is one of the hardest things to learn about these two sports...


Its one thing to be able to make a shot, its another to know when to actually try it.

DiscJunkie 01-17-2020 10:07 PM

Aside from all the hype and speculation...

Just think how much you could improve if you spent a week with PaulM and Simon doing nothing but DG training and technique.
Priceless, just priceless.

Titan037 01-17-2020 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DiscJunkie (Post 3537800)
Aside from all the hype and speculation...

Just think how much you could improve if you spent a week with PaulM and Simon doing nothing but DG training and technique.
Priceless, just priceless.

opportunity of a lifetime.

BrotherDave 01-17-2020 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by elmexdela (Post 3537779)
do you truly believe this or is this a stretch

I do. Brodie probably has way above-average fine motor skills from years of doing Ultimate and trick shots. He just has to find a putting stroke and a putter that enables his touch to take effect and he should be a competent putter in no time. This ain't Andrew Zimmern or Ben Askren we're talking about. Brodie actually has translatable skills.
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Originally Posted by Hampstead (Post 3537783)
Simon is an amazing trick shot disc golfer. He also has thrown over 1,000'. That has translated to DG popularity and...?

Brodie is no Simon.

Simon is also an excellent putter.

Nova P 01-17-2020 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DiscJunkie (Post 3537800)
Aside from all the hype and speculation...

Just think how much you could improve if you spent a week with PaulM and Simon doing nothing but DG training and technique.
Priceless, just priceless.

Rich gettin' richer.

It's like how he casually mentioned all the time he's been spending working out on a Peloton to Terry, and Terry's like "yeah, do I look like someone who uses a Peloton?"

And I'm watching, thinking "this dude can afford a $3000 subscription-plan stationary bicycle and I'm editing video on a nine-year-old laptop and eating store-brand cereal."

edit: and driving to tourneys in a 25-year-old pickup with no A/C

Hampstead 01-17-2020 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by BrotherDave (Post 3537804)

Simon is also an excellent putter.

Throw Down the Mountain hole 18 and Waco 18 beg to differ.

Jay Dub 01-17-2020 10:52 PM

I'm not meaning he won't be a decent putter but I doubt his putting will be good enough to get him on lead cards in the majors. Not this year anyway.

roblee 01-17-2020 10:52 PM

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Rich gettin' richer.
Wow. WTA? I would support BS or anyone else wanting to chase a dream.

brutalbrutus 01-17-2020 11:10 PM

One thing you would think he would be good at quickly... is taking a comet/rattler/putt'r and throwing a nose up stall at the basket from 80-150ft. I'm sure he's thrown that kind of shot a million times with an Ultimate disc warming up playing catch with someone before practice/games...


:popcorn:

Titan037 01-17-2020 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by brutalbrutus (Post 3537822)
One thing you would think he would be good at quickly... is taking a comet/rattler/putt'r and throwing a nose up stall at the basket from 80-150ft. I'm sure he's thrown that kind of shot a million times with an Ultimate disc warming up playing catch with someone before practice/games...


:popcorn:

im very curious to what disc he would actually use this shot for, I would love to see him use the rattler, but he may just master it with his throwing putter. Rattler would be closest thing to an ultra star though.

brutalbrutus 01-17-2020 11:17 PM

Someone needs to tell him about the Discraft Skystreak…

https://www.flyingdiscmuseum.com/img...68602455-3.jpg


Its basically an Ulitmate disc that's PDGA legal. One of the older in guys that used to play in my weekend group was a sniper with one of these things inside 150ft.

Titan037 01-17-2020 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by brutalbrutus (Post 3537826)
Someone needs to tell him about the Discraft SkystreakÖ

https://www.flyingdiscmuseum.com/img...68602455-3.jpg


Its basically an Ulitmate disc that's PDGA legal. One of the older in guys that used to play in my weekend group was a sniper with one of these things inside 150ft.

Ultra stars are pdga legal though...

Casey 1988 01-17-2020 11:58 PM

I wonder if it is entirely possible that the fans of just Brodie Smith are going to revolt every time he is playing an event but not on camera?

Casey 1988 01-18-2020 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by brutalbrutus (Post 3537826)
Someone needs to tell him about the Discraft SkystreakÖ

https://www.flyingdiscmuseum.com/img...68602455-3.jpg


Its basically an Ulitmate disc that's PDGA legal. One of the older in guys that used to play in my weekend group was a sniper with one of these things inside 150ft.

So are Sky Stylers and the J-Star legal for PDGA use. The other disc he could use is a Rattler, basically a Ultimate disc made into a Disc golf disc size without the flight grip rings. I am not sure if the Sky Streak is even made at this point.

I went to use an old Wham-O disc, a Pro Jr 145 gram sized disc in my first year of play as my second disc for shots that I was not good enough to do with my Rubber putter.

Stable 01-18-2020 12:19 AM

I prefer having a mixed bag. Then again I started playing when all there it just Innova & DC. For a new player today it would be exhausting trying to find a starting point with all the different companies out there each making great stuff.

I'm sure it's so helpful for Brodie to be able to zero in on one catalogue to dial in his molds.

brutalbrutus 01-18-2020 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Titan037 (Post 3537834)
Ultra stars are pdga legal though...

From what I remember, Skystreaks aren't as flippy and are more workable. The problem is, they are OOP like casey said above and the Ratttlers being made today are made in an inferior plastic to what they used to be made in.

Its almost too bad he didn't pick Innova so he could throw Novas.:D

Nova P 01-18-2020 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Casey 1988 (Post 3537836)
I wonder if it is entirely possible that the fans of just Brodie Smith are going to revolt every time he is playing an event but not on camera?

This is like the set up to that old joke.

TD: My mind's made up. Brodie's not on the feature card.
Assistant TD: But his fans are revolting!
TD: They certainly are.

Casey 1988 01-18-2020 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Nova P (Post 3537841)
This is like the set up to that old joke.

TD: My mind's made up. Brodie's not on the feature card.
Assistant TD: But his fans are revolting!
TD: They certainly are.

Doubt many of his fans will see him in person. How many of the people that followed him on his main youtube channel years ago still watch? That is the bigger question.

Titan037 01-18-2020 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by brutalbrutus (Post 3537840)
From what I remember, Skystreaks aren't as flippy and are more workable. The problem is, they are OOP like casey said above and the Ratttlers being made today are made in an inferior plastic to what they used to be made in.

Its almost too bad he didn't pick Innova so he could throw Novas.:D

ESP rattlers were just made recently. really the only reason I mentioned it, Having that disc in ESP is going to be really nice to have. I can't wait to throw mine when they get here.

brutalbrutus 01-18-2020 01:43 AM

Nice. I wonder how they'll fly compared to the proDs...

MaxFlight 01-18-2020 02:17 AM

I would love to see him throw some Comets... Bet he could REALLY sail those things.

Titan037 01-18-2020 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by MaxFlight (Post 3537856)
I would love to see him throw some Comets... Bet he could REALLY sail those things.

Not just sail them but manipulate them. If he can crush a buzzz already. The comet will really train him on angle control.

Chains Bailey 01-18-2020 02:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Chains Bailey (Post 3533520)
1. Does he have "Leverage" enough to court a sponsor and would they be responsive?

2. Any chance media companies immediately ask him to be on Feature' cards for first rounds?

3. Will he join DGCR and Bro' it up?

4. If he finishes an event with a strong field (NT or DGPT) in the top ten, will DGCR implode?

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1. Yes

2. I definitely think ANY disc golf media company would love for Brodie to be on the Feature' Card. In fact, I predict it will happen.

3. We can only hope so :|

4. We can only hope so ;)


My bold prediction:

Paul and Simon are not training Bro'Smith out of the goodness of their hearts. They want part of the Bro'Smith fame. They are going to start a YouTube channel themselves - My guess is just the 3 of them - Vlog / Trick Shots / Tour Life...

PMcBeth = best disc golfer on planet + brings viewers to watch him make cookies.
Simon = great disc golfer, loveable personality, Vlog is killing it + made cookies.
Bro'Smith = 2 million viewers that would watch him take a dump if posted + could make cookies.

Now consider if they put all their power rings together...


Second Hot Take':

PMcBeth, by far, moves the needle on pushing product. I would estimate he alone accounts for as much product being sold than ALL the other pros combined.

Bro'Smith will have near the same ROI to any disc golf media company that puts out his rounds on the tour. That is why I think he will be invited to MANY Feature cards' (First Round) at events - even DGPT, NT and Majors. I would further predict that if somehow there were a Lead Card of the usual suspects and a 4th card at the same event with Bro'Smith and (Nikko/JohnE or some other volatile personality) the 4th card will get more views.

As much as many would like the following not to be true, Bro'Smith joining the tour is the biggest news of 2020 by far.


NOTE - So, this is what DGCR does to a person? I had never cared too much about any disc golf personalities, but have been sucked into the abyss. I now find myself genuinely interested in what happens next. Is there a such thing as DGCR Syndrome?

sidewinder22 01-18-2020 03:13 AM

Fish first rating was 978 and finished year 1 at 1000, and then finished 1020 year 2.

sidewinder22 01-18-2020 03:27 AM

Is Ben Askren going to tour?

biscoe 01-18-2020 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by sidewinder22 (Post 3537860)
Fish first rating was 978 and finished year 1 at 1000, and then finished 1020 year 2.

Somewhat similar body style and history of ultimate play between them- seem completely different from the mental approach though.


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