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ray1970 12-04-2020 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Norvelljeff (Post 3665172)
This guy has A LOT to say about a sport he "just" started playing


He strikes me as a guy who just likes to talk. A lot.

Superbford 12-04-2020 09:54 PM

I have no problem with people having strong opinions on things.

Will go and listen tomorrow and see if I become enraged, haha!:wall:

wolfhaley 12-05-2020 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by ray1970 (Post 3665181)
He strikes me as a guy who just likes to talk. A lot.

And loudly.

autocrosscrx 12-05-2020 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Norvelljeff (Post 3665172)
This guy has A LOT to say about a sport he "just" started playing

It makes sense.

The person that grew up with the sport is groomed to accept status quo. And also he has exposure to other sports in ways unlike most pros.

ChrisWoj 12-05-2020 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by autocrosscrx (Post 3665307)
It makes sense.

The person that grew up with the sport is groomed to accept status quo. And also he has exposure to other sports in ways unlike most pros.

And, frankly, he might be new to the sport - but I think he's clearly in it for the long-haul.

The guy's entire life is disc sports and building a personal brand through it. And his body has taken him out of the one he spent his prime athletic years in. He's making a clear and obvious transition, and he's good enough to make a living at it while building a brand to support himself within it long term. Its been clear from the beginning that the guy isn't going anywhere. He might be pretty loud for being so new, but he clearly sees this as his ticket moving forward.

brutalbrutus 12-05-2020 11:36 PM

He won by 3 shots.

Billyray 12-06-2020 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by ChrisWoj (Post 3665334)
And, frankly, he might be new to the sport - but I think he's clearly in it for the long-haul.

The guy's entire life is disc sports and building a personal brand through it. And his body has taken him out of the one he spent his prime athletic years in. He's making a clear and obvious transition, and he's good enough to make a living at it while building a brand to support himself within it long term. Its been clear from the beginning that the guy isn't going anywhere. He might be pretty loud for being so new, but he clearly sees this as his ticket moving forward.

Didn't he spend 3+ years trying to become a professional ball golfer? Clearly his entire life hasn't been disc sports. Making a brand, absolutely.

ChrisWoj 12-06-2020 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Billyray (Post 3665651)
Didn't he spend 3+ years trying to become a professional ball golfer? Clearly his entire life hasn't been disc sports. Making a brand, absolutely.

Dunno how long he spent, but yeah I did hear about that. Wake-up calls happen. Seems he realized he couldn't build that brand away from his bread n butter.

Emoney 12-06-2020 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Billyray (Post 3665651)
Didn't he spend 3+ years trying to become a professional ball golfer? Clearly his entire life hasn't been disc sports. Making a brand, absolutely.

Cherry picking

What is Disc Golf but Ball Golf and Ultimate combined? ;)

I dont like the guy but if you watched his ball golf, he got impressively good.

Brodie may have groomed himself perfectly for a disc golf career. In a year he got better than everyone on this forum.

jdm0514 12-06-2020 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Emoney (Post 3665739)

Brodie may have groomed himself perfectly for a disc golf career. In a year he got better than everyone on this forum.

How are you gonna disrespect my man MJ like that. But yeah he has tons of talent and what most people don't have is time to dedicate his fully to discgolf.

DiscFifty 12-06-2020 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Emoney (Post 3665739)
I dont like the guy but if you watched his ball golf, he got impressively good.

I didn't follow his PGA progress, but if he was that good why did he quit?

Emoney 12-06-2020 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DiscFifty (Post 3665757)
I didn't follow his PGA progress, but if he was that good why did he quit?

Idk ask him....

The point is, alot of ppl are denying his talent and athletic ability. Claiming he is just a bro with a big mouth and the only reason he is good because blah blah blah...yes he is those things BUT he also has skillz.

Lots of haters lurk here.... I just like to poke them every now and then ...you know...to see who comments on my posts (wink wink)

gerth_vader 12-06-2020 10:08 PM

You Texans ride thick huh ;)

DiscFifty 12-06-2020 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Emoney (Post 3665768)
Idk ask him....The point is, alot of ppl are denying his talent and athletic ability. (wink wink)

Wasn't being a smat a$$. His #1 goal is money, always has been. He's been very vocal about the money in disc golf compared to ball golf, so I was just curious if he was that good at ball golf...why didn't he stick with it. I know his social media presence slowed down a bit during his ball golf time, maybe his trick shot / ultimate followers are a little more acceptance of disc golf.

Jugular 12-07-2020 04:01 AM

He can be really good at Golf and still not make any money from it, it's an incredibly saturated sport. Disc Golf does not have that 'problem'. Nevertheless he is skilled and dedicated.
I just wish he would back up his statements about what Disc Golf 'should do' with some actual reasons rather than just his feeling that it would be better. I am interested to hear what he has to say since he is thinking about it all the time, is fresh to the sport and is a proven cash generator, but every time I hear him say what should change there's no substance, just 'this is what Golf does'. Sounds familiar from these forums recently.

ru4por 12-07-2020 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by DiscFifty (Post 3665872)
Wasn't being a smat a$$. His #1 goal is money, always has been. He's been very vocal about the money in disc golf compared to ball golf, so I was just curious if he was that good at ball golf...why didn't he stick with it. I know his social media presence slowed down a bit during his ball golf time, maybe his trick shot / ultimate followers are a little more acceptance of disc golf.

Exactly. And there is nothing wrong with that. I do caution against placing much importance to his take on "changing the game". He is interested in changes that benefit Brodie and potentially a couple hundred players globally.

While I concede making touring, for a living, a viable opportunity and see the potential for YouTube getting some eyes on the game, it is only a VERY tiny part of any "grow the sport" discussion.

Disc golf is a grassroot, amateur sport. This is where, nearly all efforts and money should be aimed. Changes to the game should be directed at ensuring this group of players are the benefactors.

DiscFifty 12-07-2020 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Jugular (Post 3665891)
I just wish he would back up his statements about what Disc Golf 'should do' with some actual reasons rather than just his feeling that it would be better. I am interested to hear what he has to say.....

If you haven't already, check out this recent podcast.....

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Originally Posted by DiscFifty (Post 3665105)
Some pretty hot takes on the pro tour from Brodie. Cutting the field after 2nd round, payouts, no next day live coverage. wowza...

https://www.spreaker.com/user/ultiwo...-brodie-output


ru4por 12-07-2020 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by DiscFifty (Post 3665905)
If you haven't already, check out this recent podcast.....

OK, I tried. I find it just uncomfortable to watch. It is a self absorbed, weird experience. I might just be too old to get this kind of stuff. I would have love to see him thank the tournament staff and volunteers. Talk about the experience and the competition. Comment on how much work it took to give him the opportunity to play an A Tier event. Instead there is 20 minutes on his ratings. I suppose that it is normal today to post a hour video to tell everyone all about yourself. Shrug.....I don't really get it.

Jay Dub 12-07-2020 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Jugular (Post 3665891)
He can be really good at Golf and still not make any money from it, it's an incredibly saturated sport. Disc Golf does not have that 'problem'. Nevertheless he is skilled and dedicated.
I just wish he would back up his statements about what Disc Golf 'should do' with some actual reasons rather than just his feeling that it would be better. I am interested to hear what he has to say since he is thinking about it all the time, is fresh to the sport and is a proven cash generator, but every time I hear him say what should change there's no substance, just 'this is what Golf does'. Sounds familiar from these forums recently.

The bold part is what a lot of people get wrong. He is not new to disc golf.

robdeforge 12-07-2020 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by DiscFifty (Post 3665905)
If you haven't already, check out this recent podcast.....

he starts talking about the no next day coverage idea at 55:20. that was the only one I was interested in hearing about and it was, predictably, an incredibly garbage take

Jugular 12-07-2020 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Jay Dub (Post 3665913)
The bold part is what a lot of people get wrong. He is not new to disc golf.

You're being pedantic there, his dalliances in the past weren't anything serious. I wouldn't have been interested in his views after his handful of encounters 5-10 years ago, I see him as fresh to the sport in terms of concerted persistent interest.

autocrosscrx 12-07-2020 09:31 AM

I was kind of curious about the golf thing and went down a rabbit hole.

From what I can tell, he never competed at golf, at least seriously. He became a low handicapper (and I'm sure you can imagine how people disputed his claimed handicap), but mostly did fun videos and leveraged his status to promote some courses and products and whatnot. It looks like he linked up with other personalities to form BroFive and then his partners sort of cut him out of the process and went back to their old platform. Then he moved on to disc golf.

He seems to breed drama.

...but at the end of the day, he makes content and it either interests you or it doesn't. It isn't my favorite content, but it generally interests me enough to watch.

Jay Dub 12-07-2020 09:35 AM

There are new eyes on disc golf every day, week, month and year. Brodie is self absorbed trying to make a living off this. That does not make his statements or takes any better or a "wowza" mode except for his big fans who adore him for some reason.

Nothing he says is ground breaking. A cut after 2 rounds?? WOWZA!!! I wonder where he got that idea from? :rolleyes:

DiscFifty 12-07-2020 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by ru4por (Post 3665912)
OK, I tried. I find it just uncomfortable to watch.

Just for clarity...I posted the link to a podcast (audio only) done by Jamie Thomas (The UpShot). Where it was a more serious discussion from all 3 of them. His youtube stuff is clearly acted out to appeal to that demographic.

perklc 12-07-2020 10:01 AM

My takeaway from that interview:

Brodie during that interview (paraphrasing): I'd like to think that most everyone on tour isn't a bunch of sheep.

Also Brodie during that interview (me summarizing his hot takes): We need to do what all of the other sports do.

Jugular 12-07-2020 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Jay Dub (Post 3665918)
There are new eyes on disc golf every day, week, month and year. Brodie is self absorbed trying to make a living off this. That does not make his statements or takes any better or a "wowza" mode except for his big fans who adore him for some reason.

Nothing he says is ground breaking. A cut after 2 rounds?? WOWZA!!! I wonder where he got that idea from? :rolleyes:

Sure but not new eyes from someone coming from both Brodie's background, level of skill and dedication so far. No doubt many of his ideas are cribbed from another sport's plans but if he truly believes in their value I would expect him to be able to clearly explain why that's the case. Apparently he was a maths teacher in the past but he failed to give any good reasons for why changing the rating structure to represent players playing at their 'best' rather than their 'average' play was in any way an improvement. I feel like there might be some value in what he's saying or in the process of shooting down what he's saying by having a clear dialogue with someone on the other side of the fence. You may be right that it all amounts to hot air and controversy to keep his name on people's lips (fingers?) and he hasn't thought any of it through. If for no other reason than he has a (growing?) following and fragmentation of governing bodies etc. seems unlikely to be in DGs interests.

ru4por 12-07-2020 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by DiscFifty (Post 3665922)
Just for clarity...I posted the link to a podcast (audio only) done by Jamie Thomas (The UpShot). Where it was a more serious discussion from all 3 of them. His youtube stuff is clearly acted out to appeal to that demographic.

OK, I still tried. I guess, in his defense, Brodie is up front on saying his opinion is only about the pro tour. So, from my perspective, I don't really care. The pro tour does not really represent anything for my disc golf world. Mildly interesting to watch from time to time, but not much of a connection to the tens of thousands of players, that really make up and support the game. I think he does fail to see that "fans" of the game ARE all disc golfers. I don't see how changing infrastructure in the pro tour would benefit the game, but I am not convinced it would necessarily damage it either.

txmxer 12-07-2020 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by ru4por (Post 3665903)
Exactly. And there is nothing wrong with that. I do caution against placing much importance to his take on "changing the game". He is interested in changes that benefit Brodie and potentially a couple hundred players globally.

While I concede making touring, for a living, a viable opportunity and see the potential for YouTube getting some eyes on the game, it is only a VERY tiny part of any "grow the sport" discussion.

Disc golf is a grassroot, amateur sport. This is where, nearly all efforts and money should be aimed. Changes to the game should be directed at ensuring this group of players are the benefactors.

This. If pros can make a living as a consequence of amateur interest more power to them.

If the pro side generates benefit to the grassroots then we all win.

kyflash 12-07-2020 11:55 AM

https://www.pdga.com/player/16672
Keep an eye on this guy.
If he gets to be what the was...….

wims 12-07-2020 11:57 AM

I don't like the idea of having a cut in disc golf. The pro side of the sport is not robust enough, people are literally living from hand to mouth while touring around.

ChrisWoj 12-07-2020 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Jay Dub (Post 3665918)
There are new eyes on disc golf every day, week, month and year. Brodie is self absorbed trying to make a living off this. That does not make his statements or takes any better or a "wowza" mode except for his big fans who adore him for some reason.

Nothing he says is ground breaking. A cut after 2 rounds?? WOWZA!!! I wonder where he got that idea from? :rolleyes:

Yeah, I responded on Twitter to one of his rants with something along the lines of "This is nothing we haven't been hearing in disc golf circles for over a decade."

I think it was something to do with the payouts. Can't remember exactly. But his response was "Well that makes it even more sad." Which completely ignores the fact that the ideas weren't feasible until players were making better money from their sponsorship deals, able to survive aside from pure payouts.

He often thinks his ideas are groundbreaking, when in reality we've been discussing them forever - but the reality is that the same thing that attracted him to disc golf (the money beginning to flow in) is the same thing that prevented the ideas being feasible before.

ChrisWoj 12-07-2020 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by kyflash (Post 3665977)
https://www.pdga.com/player/16672
Keep an eye on this guy.
If he gets to be what the was....

There are probably a thousand guys out there who would be 1010+ players if someone gave them the opportunity to be what they could be.

I'm most impressed by the guys who have their time for disc golf taken away from them and they still stick/become 1010+ guys.

Jay Dub 12-07-2020 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisWoj (Post 3665985)
There are probably a thousand guys out there who would be 1010+ players if someone gave them the opportunity to be what they could be.

I'm most impressed by the guys who have their time for disc golf taken away from them and they still stick/become 1010+ guys.

Exactly. If all of us had the resources to be able to play golf all the time we'd be a hell of a lot better.

ru4por 12-07-2020 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisWoj (Post 3665985)
There are probably a thousand guys out there who would be 1010+ players if someone gave them the opportunity to be what they could be.

I'm most impressed by the guys who have their time for disc golf taken away from them and they still stick/become 1010+ guys.

I think this point is overlooked all the time. Every area has a handful of 970 to 1000 rated pros playing in local tournaments. Most of them would quickly jump over 1000 if they disc golfed for a living.

ChrisWoj 12-07-2020 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ru4por (Post 3665989)
I think this point is overlooked all the time. Every area has a handful of 970 to 1000 rated pros playing in local tournaments. Most of them would quickly jump over 1000 if they disc golfed for a living.

My entire 15 years in disc golf has been watching guys who would CLEARLY be 1000+ rated players pop up annually in my area and then within a few years just not make it because kids, careers, etc.

I almost put "thousands" plural... and i kinda regret changing it to singular.

Dcinmd 12-07-2020 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by kyflash (Post 3665977)
https://www.pdga.com/player/16672
Keep an eye on this guy.
If he gets to be what the was....

Really not impressed by his 16th placed finish at Coyote Hills.

Cgkdisc 12-07-2020 12:33 PM

I would suggest that Brodie and others interested in commenting on how to improve the Pro Tour and payouts, with the number one goal of getting more spectators, read the 5-part series on PDGA called "Let's get more Spectators" along with the comments posted at the end of each article. See how far we've gotten in implementing any of these concepts in the past 5 years since they were posted in 2015.

hanger129 12-07-2020 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by wims (Post 3665979)
I don't like the idea of having a cut in disc golf. The pro side of the sport is not robust enough, people are literally living from hand to mouth while touring around.

I don't see how a cut would impact the financial stability of a touring pro. If they don't make the theoretical cut they aren't getting cash anyway.

Jugular 12-07-2020 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by hanger129 (Post 3666050)
I don't see how a cut would impact the financial stability of a touring pro. If they don't make the theoretical cut they aren't getting cash anyway.

What's the upside of a cut?

hanger129 12-07-2020 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Jugular (Post 3666058)
What's the upside of a cut?

Good question. The first one that comes to mind is fewer players on a given card going into the final rounds which I would expect to speed up the pace of play (or at least reduce the number of times there is significant back up during a round). On the flip side, what is the benefit of not having a cut?


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