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ru4por 01-08-2021 09:29 AM

Lol....if you are running a game for attention, then taking the negative with the good is part of that game. If I decide to sport a blue mohawk, getting bunched when laughed at is simply demonstrating a lack of insight.

If actually offended, why not send a personal, adult message to the club of the course? Express your disappointment, send a couple Get Freaky's for club revenue and......well, sell yourself. Isn't this his gig anyway?

Nope, take to social media and create faux drama....because that wins even more fans.

autocrosscrx 01-08-2021 09:36 AM

He complains a lot, but that is also terrible taste and that club should be horrified.

Ahildy13 01-08-2021 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by riltim (Post 3678281)
I don't think anyone would be thrilled that their picture is posted at a disc golf course, that they've likely never played, implying that they're the type of person to litter and steal discs.

I would think that the senior members of South Jersey Disc Golf are old enough to know that this is poor taste.

He did throw in to a playground full of children and laugh. So reap what you sow and all that.

davetherocketguy 01-08-2021 09:55 AM

It is definitely in poor taste. However, had Brodie not tweeted about it who would have know outside of the locals that play that course? This dude's constant whining is not a good look. It's disc golf for crying out loud. You're throwing round pieces of plastic in a park. How can you take it THAT seriously? He's a disc golf celebrity after all. You're going to get the fanbois and the haters. It's what you signed up for. Don't like it? Stop collecting all those Get Freaky Zone checks from Discraft and go away.

A much better way to handle it would be to email the event organizers and ask to pull the sign rather than putting them on blast. Since neither one of them mention doing that I seriously doubt it happened. smh

TheOtherBill 01-08-2021 09:57 AM

Yeah that was stupid and unnecessary. They pretty much deserve to have pro's bail on their event.

TheOtherBill 01-08-2021 09:59 AM

Also, whatever you think of Brodie or what his influence is on disc golf, you just don't insult strangers - especially ones that would bring an extra dozen or more spectators to your event.

Jay Dub 01-08-2021 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by TheOtherBill (Post 3678302)
Also, whatever you think of Brodie or what his influence is on disc golf, you just don't insult strangers - especially ones that would bring an extra dozen or more spectators to your event.

I disagree. To me it seems like Brodie and Paul are trying to do a disc golf coup.

Not sure why I think that today. ;)

davetherocketguy 01-08-2021 10:07 AM

OMG we do it all the time. Have you even seen the disc golf memes all over the place? If you're a decent touring pro you're fair game it seems like. How is this any different? I tell you what's different - Brodie is the only one whining about it.

If he thinks this is bad imagine if he had celebrity status of a real sports star like a NFL QB. His head would explode trying to address all the "haters." Lawdy he just needs to log off of twitter for a few days.

Martin Dewgarita 01-08-2021 10:26 AM

I don't understand the sign at all. First off, it doesn't make sense, I had to read through a hundred tweets to figure out what it was trying to say (and that's just other's interpretations of it, nowhere did I see the creator of the sign say "this is what it means"). Like some others, I was considering that maybe these are Brodie's rules. Most others seem to assume that we're calling new players Brodies (with a misplaced apostrophe), using it as an insult like "Karen" . Ok, fine, if that's what it means, I still don't understand the point of having the sign there - slightly insulting new players "hey you annoying bros listen here..." what new player, whether "recruited" by brodie, or having no idea who brodie is, will read this sign and change their mind about littering and breaking laurels? Shoot, if I was in the habit of doing these things, I would probably do them more if I saw a stupid sign like that.

My favorite part is the club poll "should we remove the sign?" where the majority don't see the problem with it and say keep it there.. wtf, I live a life of "to each their own" but doesn't mean I comprehend why people do things.

Jay Dub 01-08-2021 10:27 AM

I didn't get the sign either. I had to read one of the replies on Twitter to understand.

biscoe 01-08-2021 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by davetherocketguy (Post 3678299)

A much better way to handle it would be to email the event organizers and ask to pull the sign rather than putting them on blast. Since neither one of them mention doing that I seriously doubt it happened. smh

I know the event TD well- no way he had anything to do with that sign to begin with.

davetherocketguy 01-08-2021 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by biscoe (Post 3678328)
I know the event TD well- no way he had anything to do with that sign to begin with.

Even so, I bet he has access to or knows who does have access to get the sign pulled. Plus its only fair if he's going to boycott an event Brodie at least give the TD a chance to defend themselves via pms or email...privately.

davetherocketguy 01-08-2021 11:07 AM

The more I think about it the more disappointed I am in this tweet. I TD events and have been put on social media blast before with no opportunity to fix whats wrong in advance. Cannot express just how infuriating that is after putting so much blood sweat and tears into an event only to have some short-sighted ill-informed schmuck insult me publicly. And that's what appears to be happening here. It's ridiculous.

konza_kid 01-08-2021 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Jay Dub (Post 3678304)
I disagree. To me it seems like Brodie and Paul are trying to do a disc golf coup.

Not sure why I think that today. ;)


Haha, timely. In reading this though it dawned on me what irks me about Brodie, or rather the idea of Brodie. He is a newcomer to a sport and community, and gets a large (possibly underserved) platform based on his prior exposure outside of the sport. Then his messaging on this platform has always struck me as moving towards professionalizing, commercializing, and monetizing disc golf.

This is my interpretation of his message at least, and honestly it comes off a little colonial (to be hyperbolic), like, he just found this sport, and he is the only one smart enough to drag it into the light of main stream sports. The "natives" aren't doing it right and I have a model that will fix that. He then seems to get offended by the fact that the folks that built this sport up with their literal hands, over years and years, don't like that he shows up when most of the dirty work is finished and tries to be the voice of the future and make a quick buck at the same time.

Who knows maybe I'm projecting or it's just not that deep.

Hampstead 01-08-2021 11:42 AM

Rabble, rabble, rabble

BlueMonk 01-08-2021 12:13 PM

His need to call out every slight just screams “small-time” to me. You’re new to a sport and you’re outspoken and opinionated, of course you’re going to have detractors. Rise above it. Go to the event, win it, and then troll them about it when you’re hoisting the trophy in their backyard. That’s what Michael Jordan would do. If you really aspire to being big-time, that’s the pro move. Don’t whine about not getting their respect, go out and earn it.


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Superbford 01-08-2021 12:39 PM

People whining about the reply.. .which really wasn't angry... seems silly.

Not a great look for the course either, but not the end of the world. Both sides would be better off handling it a bit more directly in my opinion.

Buchajs1 01-08-2021 12:39 PM

Hey Everyone! I was the individual defending the club in the twitter thread. Here’s some background on the whole scenario (something that a simple tweet does not provide):

Over the years, Stafford Woods has had numerous problems with people altering the course (breaking branches, sawing down trees, etc). This is especially detrimental when many of the trees being damaged and removed are laurels, a type of tree which the local township provided explicit directions to protect. Unfortunately, these type of activities have increased with the growth of the sport, with individuals treating the area as if it was their own backyard. Various attempts were made to attract the attention of players who were not respectful of course rules, but these attempts usually ended with signage removed or destroyed.

A select few thought it might be a good idea to come up with the sign posted on the twitter photo — which I believe was originally intended to be “Brodie’s Rules” (hence the apostrophe). I don’t know if there was a miscommunication or if people genuinely dislike Brodie, but the sign posted is what we ended up with. The idea was that using the image of a popular/familiar would attract attention to important course rules that were being ignored. Clearly, we now realize that this was an extremely poorly executed idea, although I can assure that their was no genuine malice intended with the sign.

Yes, the issue was previously discussed, but for those that read the thread, many people though the sign was successful in deterring unwanted behavior. Brodie was clearly offended by the sign, and the entire message board was removed at a moments notice — as it would have been as soon as we understood that it was genuinely offensive to Brodie.

Unfortunately, Brodie’s twitter rant left a lot of our core volunteer group emotionally exhausted after receiving numerous private messages. A phone number for our lead volunteer (who had absolutely nothing to do with the sign) was posted online, and he received an absolutely absurd amount of private messages and calls over an issue he had no part in. Personally, I feel as though this could have been handled in a far more mature manner — if we want to be seen as a professional sport, berating the very people that bust their asses to make disc golf a wonderful sport is not the answer. A simple pm to the TD or course designer would have solved the issue immediately. This would have prevented the social media ****storm that ensued, which resulted in numerous individuals who devote their lives to bettering the sport for all of us to enjoy (and giving people like Brodie a place and platform to compete) being emotionally exhausted and burnt out over countless unsolicited hate messages/comments.

Anyways, I hope this provides a little more clarity. I don’t mean to defend the actions of anyone, just providing some context for those that wish to read. South Jersey Disc Golf is a club full of great people who volunteer their tails off to maintain one of the best courses in the region, and I hope that those that have visited Stafford Woods and met our volunteer crew would attest to that. If you haven’t visited, we hope to see you soon!

Until then, Happy Discin!

Ahildy13 01-08-2021 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Buchajs1 (Post 3678442)
A phone number for our lead volunteer (who had absolutely nothing to do with the sign) was posted online, and he received an absolutely absurd amount of private messages and calls over an issue he had no part in.

So it sounds like No Brodie's was the correct decision.

Superbford 01-08-2021 01:15 PM

Yeah, the sign was a very poor idea ... and BSmith should have replied directly to the staff first to get it taken care of...

Things to learn from for sure. Social Media makes it way to early to post and make a statement before thinking things through.

DiscFifty 01-08-2021 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buchajs1 (Post 3678442)
Hey Everyone! I was the individual defending the club in the twitter thread. Here’s some background on the whole scenario (something that a simple tweet does not provide):

Over the years, Stafford Woods has had numerous problems with people altering the course (breaking branches, sawing down trees, etc). This is especially detrimental when many of the trees being damaged and removed are laurels, a type of tree which the local township provided explicit directions to protect. Unfortunately, these type of activities have increased with the growth of the sport, with individuals treating the area as if it was their own backyard. Various attempts were made to attract the attention of players who were not respectful of course rules, but these attempts usually ended with signage removed or destroyed.

eh...I've met a bunch of "Brodies" on the course the past few months. They're typically 15-20+ years old, carrying a bag full of discraft (which our local club sells alot of), dressing the part, etc. They are not mess making, smoking, beer drinking, etc, etc, noobs to the sport that don't give a $hit about the course, local club, etc. So I can see someone getting upset using their likeness linked to disrespecting the game. A simple "Hey...NOOBS!" would have worked just as well, maybe even better.

Of course Brodie (and Paul) handled it the wrong way, but whatever fires up the base I guess. Disc Golf is after all these days, all about social media and how to exploit that small niche. :rolleyes:

Hampstead 01-08-2021 02:41 PM

Brodie is so lucky to have you, white knight.

BillFleming 01-08-2021 04:38 PM

and why is Brodie such a big deal? Why does Discraft sponsor him?

Because of his social media presence and how many people discuss him. Just take a look at this thread....247 pages and 2462 posts about Brodie. Good or bad....it's still a bunch of focus on Brodie.

jdm0514 01-08-2021 04:53 PM

Any press is good press.

autocrosscrx 01-08-2021 04:55 PM

I first read it as Brodie's face. And I thought the message was don't leave Brodie's face, aka trash, on the course. Which, of course, would be incredibly mean spirited.

...but it is just an incredibly confusing sign.

Tomphoolery 01-08-2021 07:31 PM

I totally agree with Brodie on the gatekeeping point, but it made me laugh, and I think Brodie took this a little too personally. I get not wanting to be associated with course vandals, but Brodie is a chad, and he has to have some self awareness that he's a chad. Being a chad doesn't necessarily make you a bad person; it just makes you a chad.

And ya know what? When I see people litter on the course, they usually tend to be chads. The hippies are environmentally conscious and the dorks are too self conscious to pull a dick move like littering.

davetherocketguy 01-08-2021 07:38 PM

I like how you have everyone pigeon-holed so nicely.

Tomphoolery 01-08-2021 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by davetherocketguy (Post 3678598)
I like how you have everyone pigeon-holed so nicely.

Everyone knows that you're either a chad, a dork, or a hippie out on the disc golf course.

DiscFifty 01-08-2021 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillFleming (Post 3678555)
and why is Brodie such a big deal? Why does Discraft sponsor him?

Because of his social media presence and how many people discuss him. Just take a look at this thread....247 pages and 2462 posts about Brodie. Good or bad....it's still a bunch of focus on Brodie.

Haters love to hate....online.

jakebake91 01-08-2021 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DiscFifty (Post 3678614)
Haters love to hate....online.

This is incredibly true.

However, personally, I've never said anything about Brodie online that I wouldn't say to his face.

Someday I actually hope I get to have that conversation. If something like this sign gets him this riled up, he's really not going to like my opinion of him.......

davetherocketguy 01-08-2021 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jakebake91 (Post 3678641)
This is incredibly true.

However, personally, I've never said anything about Brodie online that I wouldn't say to his face.

Someday I actually hope I get to have that conversation. If something like this sign gets him this riled up, he's really not going to like my opinion of him.......

OMG YOU H8R

DiscFifty 01-08-2021 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jakebake91 (Post 3678641)
This is incredibly true.

However, personally, I've never said anything about Brodie online that I wouldn't say to his face.

Someday I actually hope I get to have that conversation. If something like this sign gets him this riled up, he's really not going to like my opinion of him.......

I was part of a group that had a very public discussion with him about local pros playing DGPT events, while he was at Trophy Club a while back. Someone filmed it but I've never seen it online. He definitely seems to enjoy debating.

Jay Dub 01-08-2021 11:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DiscFifty (Post 3678675)
I was part of a group that had a very public discussion with him about local pros playing DGPT events, while he was at Trophy Club a while back. Someone filmed it but I've never seen it online. He definitely seems to enjoy debating.

You introduced yourself as the guy who started his thread on DGcoursereview, didn't you? :p

Tomphoolery 01-09-2021 12:42 AM

Chads:
Brodie
McBeth
Kevin Jones

Dorks:
Sexton
Heimburg
Lizotte

Hippies:
Conrad
Clemons
Philo

Then you have your hybrids:
Ricky - chad-dork
Eagle - hippie-chad
Nikko - hippie-dork

You can take it one step further and add the white trash designation, which can combine with any of the three base categories. Like Josh Anthon, who is a white trash chad.

It's simple math, really

wolfhaley 01-09-2021 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Tomphoolery (Post 3678703)
Then you have your hybrids:
Ricky - chad-dork
Eagle - hippie-chad
Nikko - hippie-dork

I think you're pretty spot on for the most part but I'd change a couple.

Eagle - hippie-dork
Nikko - hippie-chad


But I like your system either way :thmbup:

Tomphoolery 01-09-2021 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by wolfhaley (Post 3678716)
I think you're pretty spot on for the most part but I'd change a couple.

Eagle - hippie-dork
Nikko - hippie-chad


But I like your system either way :thmbup:

That makes sense.

And then there is one player who meets all three points. One player who embodies the true spirit of disc golf. Mr. Jeremy Koling.

jdm0514 01-09-2021 02:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tomphoolery (Post 3678703)
Chads:
Brodie
McBeth
Kevin Jones

Dorks:
Sexton
Heimburg
Lizotte

Hippies:
Conrad
Clemons
Philo

Then you have your hybrids:
Ricky - chad-dork
Eagle - hippie-chad
Nikko - hippie-dork

You can take it one step further and add the white trash designation, which can combine with any of the three base categories. Like Josh Anthon, who is a white trash chad.

It's simple math, really

I really like this game.

Chad:
Drew Gibson
Austin Hannum
Adam Hammes

Dork:
Big Jerm
Eric Oakley
Thomas Gilbert

Hippie:
MJ
Barsby
Nathan Queen

Tomphoolery 01-09-2021 02:14 AM

I feel like this should be incorporated into the inevitable PDGA video game and work like types in Pokémon. Dorks are weak to chads are weak to hippies are weak to dorks?

Also notch Dickerson for the dorks and Nate Perkins for the hippies.

wolfhaley 01-09-2021 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by jdm0514 (Post 3678718)
I really like this game.

Chad:
Drew Gibson
Austin Hannum
Adam Hammes

Dork:
Big Jerm
Eric Oakley
Thomas Gilbert

Hippie:
MJ
Barsby
Nathan Queen

Love this list but Queen is definitely not a hippie. He's a metalhead. Slip Eagle or Conrad into the hippie slot.

wolfhaley 01-09-2021 02:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tomphoolery (Post 3678717)
That makes sense.

And then there is one player who meets all three points. One player who embodies the true spirit of disc golf. Mr. Jeremy Koling.

Jerm is definitely a chad and a dork. Is he a hippie though? :popcorn:


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