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brutalbrutus 03-26-2021 01:26 PM

1035 -5. Not a lot of guys finished so far, so that could move some but pretty good round.

brutalbrutus 03-26-2021 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by hanger129 (Post 3703056)
Not today apparently. -5 with only one bogey is pretty darn good. I didn't think his game would hold up to a course like Dogwood.

It helps to hit a couple c2 birdie putts early in the round but i also thought he would have a more rollercoaster type round on a course like this.

Ryan P. 03-26-2021 03:41 PM

I think Brodie is up to 1015-1025 by the start of next season. It's going to be hard to get much higher than that unless he starts throwing some hot rounds.

brutalbrutus 03-26-2021 04:28 PM

Live card is on the back9 and Brodie is hanging on to a top10 spot. I would imagine it won;t last much longer though

robdeforge 03-27-2021 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by brutalbrutus (Post 3703127)
Live card is on the back9 and Brodie is hanging on to a top10 spot. I would imagine it won;t last much longer though

Tied for 15th (with uli, eagle, and jason mathe). pretty dang good!

Nick Pacific 03-27-2021 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Ryan P. (Post 3703113)
I think Brodie is up to 1015-1025 by the start of next season. It's going to be hard to get much higher than that unless he starts throwing some hot rounds.

I was previously thinking his ceiling would be 1025. Watching his offseason progress now I think 1035 is totally in the cards. Will he win big events? Still a nope on that, but he's surpassed pretty much everyone's predictions at this point. I'm not really that surprised though. Ultimate is basically short game/scramble golf, and the guy is 6'5 and strong as a mofo. He figured out putting faster than I've ever seen anyone do, something a lot of big arm athletic guys often struggle with for years before they dial in.

jakebake91 03-27-2021 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Nick Pacific (Post 3703291)
something a lot of big arm athletic guys often struggle with for years before they dial in.

See: Recent Ezra

Nick Pacific 03-27-2021 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by jakebake91 (Post 3703304)
See: Recent Ezra

Especially when you're a bomber like him and miss chances to score, that can drive you crazy if you let it. You gotta fall in love with putting and feel like when you're on the green it's to your advantage.

That and a really, really short memory helps too :D

ChrisWoj 03-27-2021 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Nick Pacific (Post 3703291)
He figured out putting faster than I've ever seen anyone do, something a lot of big arm athletic guys often struggle with for years before they dial in.

This was in no way at all remotely surprising, given his background.

brutalbrutus 03-27-2021 02:29 PM

Looking like he's going to have that rollercoaster round today. par birdie dubogey par, to start.

brutalbrutus 03-27-2021 02:55 PM

bogey birdie birdie

A lot of action just to shoot even on the first 7 holes...lol

R-Ogre 03-27-2021 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by brutalbrutus (Post 3703371)
bogey birdie birdie

A lot of action just to shoot even on the first 7 holes...lol

Weíve all been there

Ryan P. 03-27-2021 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Nick Pacific (Post 3703291)
I was previously thinking his ceiling would be 1025. Watching his offseason progress now I think 1035 is totally in the cards. Will he win big events? Still a nope on that, but he's surpassed pretty much everyone's predictions at this point. I'm not really that surprised though. Ultimate is basically short game/scramble golf, and the guy is 6'5 and strong as a mofo. He figured out putting faster than I've ever seen anyone do, something a lot of big arm athletic guys often struggle with for years before they dial in.

Yeah I could see 1035, but I do think he has a chance to win big events. I wasn't very clear with my thoughts, but I think that his goal to be "winning big tournaments in 2022" is probably not going to happen. I think he's slightly behind that goal and 2023 is a better goal. He's currently shooting between 980 and 1035 (with more rounds in the upper half of that). If he improves that 10 points, he could get up to 1025. But that's not going to be enough to win big events, especially if his ceiling is 1045 or 1050. So few people win events with a tournament rated at 1050. He's going to have to figure out how to throw some 1070s in there at some point. I realize he still thinks he's a year away from that; I'm saying that I see him being 2 years away.

Emoney 03-27-2021 03:59 PM

I dont see him competing with the big dogs BUT we are all gonna get to find out. He has every reason to stick with disc golf. The dood pushes plastic and will be able to make money in the game without competing at the top level.

If he can somehow manage to get on lead cards in big tournies.....he can be hugely successful. His bold love-it or hate-it personality is perfect for the spotlight. Disc golf doesnt have a guy like this at the top level and it would be cool to see.

R-Ogre 03-27-2021 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Emoney (Post 3703394)
His bold love-it or hate-it personality is perfect for the spotlight. Disc golf doesnt have a guy like this at the top level and it would be cool to see.

Nikko?

brutalbrutus 03-27-2021 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by R-Ogre (Post 3703396)
Nikko?

I think he's referring to his off the course stuff. Nikko's love it or hate it stuff is more about his playing style and demeanor on the course.

Emoney 03-27-2021 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by R-Ogre (Post 3703396)
Nikko?

No. I was going to reference him.

Nikko is a small cry baby hippee

Brodie is a giant obnoxious corny Jock

We already have tons of hippies in disc golf. We dont have any guys like Brodie. Nikko is the typical disc golfer , just with a love or hate personality. I feel Brodie is the type of athlete we see in others sports and thats why there is a lot of friction with the disc golf crowd. He stands out like a sore thumb.

brutalbrutus 03-27-2021 05:09 PM

He settled down and had 3 birdies and the rest pars to finish -3 for the day 1010 atm

Hampstead 03-27-2021 05:51 PM

If the top players are playing, I just don't see Brodie making a final round lead card. Maybe second day on rare occasion, but not with a chance to win.

elmexdela 03-27-2021 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Hampstead (Post 3703417)
If the top players are playing, I just don't see Brodie making a final round lead card. Maybe second day on rare occasion, but not with a chance to win.

why not

txmxer 03-27-2021 06:18 PM

Really just comes down to how much he can continue to improve.

Like Chris, I’m not surprised by his scramble or putting. Look at his truck shot type videos, he’s reasonably skilled at throwing accurately.

You figure if Nikko can grab a win with his up and down play, Bro could have a magical weekend.

Playing consistently on Dogwood is pretty impressive.

brutalbrutus 03-27-2021 06:20 PM

I don't think any one of us really knows what his ceiling could be. He's only 33 and obviously keeps himself in great shape. He also really seems to want to get good at DG(not just sell plastic) and so far has been willing and eager to put the time and work in to getting there... and he has all the time in the world to practice.

At this point, he just needs time in the field and on the course to refine his game and get consistency... and he needs to stay healthy also. If that knee problem becomes an issue, it would be a major problem.

Hampstead 03-27-2021 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by txmxer (Post 3703425)
Really just comes down to how much he can continue to improve.

Like Chris, Iím not surprised by his scramble or putting. Look at his truck shot type videos, heís reasonably skilled at throwing accurately.

You figure if Nikko can grab a win with his up and down play, Bro could have a magical weekend.

Playing consistently on Dogwood is pretty impressive.

Nikko has 123 career wins, including a couple at the USDGC. He was also 1030+ from September 2009 through September 2016, with a high of 1046. He is one of the best players in the world.

Brodie has 2 B-tier wins.


There is no comparison.

brutalbrutus 03-27-2021 06:48 PM

Of course there is no comparison. Nikko has been playing for 25 years and the other has been playing seriously for less than two...

Hampstead 03-27-2021 07:05 PM

That's my point. It seems like this new wave of players doesn't appreciate how consistently good Nikko was for a long time.

elmexdela 03-27-2021 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Hampstead (Post 3703437)
Nikko has 123 career wins, including a couple at the USDGC. He was also 1030+ from September 2009 through September 2016, with a high of 1046. He is one of the best players in the world.

Brodie has 2 B-tier wins.


There is no comparison.

plus he made that really sick frolf field ace

Hampstead 03-27-2021 07:12 PM

totally, bruh

scooby snack 03-27-2021 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by txmxer (Post 3703425)
Playing consistently on Dogwood is pretty impressive.

I was just thinking this earlier today. Very impressive. Dogwood is a challenging course.

txmxer 03-27-2021 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Hampstead (Post 3703437)
Nikko has 123 career wins, including a couple at the USDGC. He was also 1030+ from September 2009 through September 2016, with a high of 1046. He is one of the best players in the world.

Brodie has 2 B-tier wins.


There is no comparison.

I knew that was going to come up.

I know he was the best at one pointómy point is his win in Waco was very up and down. Really wasnít about Nikko himself, but more how he won a tournament with all the big names playing.

So no it wasnít intended to compare the players. Brodie will never be a player of Nikkos caliber.

ChrisWoj 03-27-2021 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by brutalbrutus (Post 3703427)
I don't think any one of us really knows what his ceiling could be. He's only 33 and obviously keeps himself in great shape. He also really seems to want to get good at DG(not just sell plastic) and so far has been willing and eager to put the time and work in to getting there... and he has all the time in the world to practice.

At this point, he just needs time in the field and on the course to refine his game and get consistency... and he needs to stay healthy also. If that knee problem becomes an issue, it would be a major problem.

This is where I am. He has enough of a golfing background to have some understanding of how to think about golfing. And more importantly, this can never be overstated, he had a claim to the title of best ulti player in the world. In a world where Pat Brown can start his career as late as he did and get where he did... The best ultimate player, assuming full buy in to the sport which Brodie has demonstrated with his practice habits, has a much higher ceiling.

Hampstead 03-27-2021 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by txmxer (Post 3703459)
I knew that was going to come up.

I know he was the best at one pointómy point is his win in Waco was very up and down. Really wasnít about Nikko himself, but more how he won a tournament with all the big names playing.

So no it wasnít intended to compare the players. Brodie will never be a player of Nikkos caliber.

Fair enough. However, Nikko has a long history of experience to draw from. He's been there. He has done that. Brodie has not. This is still the training grounds for him. I will be pleasantly surprised if Brodie ever cracks top 10 in a DGPT or NT event. If I was a gambling man, I'd put a Get Freaky Zone on it.

txmxer 03-28-2021 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Hampstead (Post 3703517)
Fair enough. However, Nikko has a long history of experience to draw from. He's been there. He has done that. Brodie has not. This is still the training grounds for him. I will be pleasantly surprised if Brodie ever cracks top 10 in a DGPT or NT event. If I was a gambling man, I'd put a Get Freaky Zone on it.

I donít gamble. Iím terrible at it and I hate to give away my money.

I would bet that Brodie has not peaked, but thatís about it.

Ryan P. 03-28-2021 12:03 PM

Brodie is going to need to have some tournaments like Casey white is having at Texas states to win some stuff. He’s been fairly consistent, but he needs to figure out a way to mix in some great rounds and weed out those rough ones.

brutalbrutus 03-28-2021 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Hampstead (Post 3703517)
This is still the training grounds for him. I will be pleasantly surprised if Brodie ever cracks top 10 in a DGPT or NT event. If I was a gambling man, I'd put a Get Freaky Zone on it.

He was flirting with it today. was t-14th when he took a bogey on 17

DiscFifty 03-28-2021 11:50 PM

Brodie averaged 1023 per round this weekend. I think it's pretty impressive to see a linear positive progression on his overall skill set. At this point it's getting pretty hard to predict a ceiling for this guy, like others have said, it all boils down to his work ethic and how much time he puts into it. Dude was 1 stroke off a top 20 DGPT finish. Who da faq thought that was going to happen a year ago?

sidewinder22 03-28-2021 11:59 PM

I don't know why some people are so surprised.

Andrew Fish still working a day job - 998 end of 1st year, 1016 end of 2nd year.
Bodie Smith full time disc golfer - 999 end of 1st year, ....

VictorB 03-29-2021 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by sidewinder22 (Post 3703725)
I don't know why some people are so surprised.

Andrew Fish still working a day job - 998 end of 1st year, 1016 end of 2nd year.
Bodie Smith full time disc golfer - 999 end of 1st year, ....

I'd venture that those are the exception, not the rule. I think a lot more people could be pro tour level players (1000+) if they didn't have day jobs

ChrisWoj 03-29-2021 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by VictorB (Post 3703921)
I'd venture that those are the exception, not the rule. I think a lot more people could be pro tour level players (1000+) if they didn't have day jobs

I think the point of his comparison is that if a college-level ultimate player like Andrew Fish can get to where he did (WHILE having a day job) - we shouldn't put a cap on where a guy who was one of the very best ultimate players in the world could get while treating disc golf as his day job.

QuadrupleMando 03-30-2021 12:55 AM

I am shocked at how fast Brodie has improved in his early 30s. Got to respect his dedication to improvement. However, I don't think his ceiling ever is top 15. The muscle memory advantage from playing as a teenager/ early 20s is too difficult to overcome even for an insane worker like Brodie.

ChrisWoj 03-30-2021 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by QuadrupleMando (Post 3704138)
The muscle memory advantage from playing as a teenager/ early 20s is too difficult to overcome even for an insane worker like Brodie.

I'd venture something near two decades of disc sports including working hard enough at it to be one of the best ultimate players in the world is a benefit to the muscle memory...


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