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RoDeO 10-07-2020 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by SaROCaM (Post 3641132)
A lot of people honestly believe a lot of things.

The body of evidence tells the truth.

For example, if you think the Feldberg video is completely wrong, then you simply do not understand how the throw works.

If you look at the kinetic sequence as demonstrated by world record distance thrower David Wiggins Jr. you will (should) see what Feldberg is talking about.

I don't think Feldberg does a very good job of explaining the throw. What he says and what he does are 2 different things. He thinks his hips are counter rotating into release. But in fact, they rotate around just like he says not to- calls it rounding.

sidewinder22 10-07-2020 09:23 PM

Dion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMC6OYzb3oY&t=3m9s

RoDeO 10-08-2020 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by sidewinder22 (Post 3641267)

Great video. Dion really shows good technique getting the hips turning before weight shift. Awesome. Wish I could throw that far.

RandyC 10-08-2020 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by RoDeO (Post 3641129)
In your one leg drill your shoulders begin rotating open first followed by your torso and then lastly your hips. You can see it clearly in the frame by frame. Nothing wrong with an all arm shot, there's times when you need to have a strong arm. It's just opposite the mechanics needed when driving off the tee for max distance. When you x step that sequence starts in the hips. That's what you do in your x step.

Here is a clear frame by frame. Knee is pointing at the camera and then facing forward. Femur is half of the knee, femur is other part of the hip. This is such a dumb convo because hips turn your shoulders. Shoulders do not turn your hips. I simply cannot do that without the hips.

https://i.imgur.com/tUQvKLo.gif

RoDeO 10-08-2020 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by RandyC (Post 3641371)
Here is a clear frame by frame. Knee is pointing at the camera and then facing forward. Femur is half of the knee, femur is other part of the hip. This is such a dumb convo because hips turn your shoulders. Shoulders do not turn your hips. I simply cannot do that without the hips.

https://i.imgur.com/tUQvKLo.gif

Upload your x step throw and we can compare. I'm not really seeing where your hip leads the shoulders here.

navel 10-08-2020 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by RoDeO (Post 3641376)
Upload your x step throw and we can compare. I'm not really seeing where your hip leads the shoulders here.

Rodeo, come on now man...
Can you just accept the fact that you are wrong?
Multiple people keep telling you that you have a bad understanding of the throw and the kinetic sequence in whole. It's time that you just accept that you do.
You are delusional, and your self-belief is both scary and embarrassing at this point. People aren't telling you that you are wrong just for the fun of it. You are basically saying that 1+1=3, and your only evidence is that you have written 1+1=3 on your own paper. That's not how it works.

I threw further than you my first week of playing. 300' is not extraordinary by any means. But I had to start from scratch a few months later because my form was all kinds of wrong.
I've always thought that my throw is the right way to throw. Otherwise I wouldn't throw like that. However, I have never preached it to the crowds as facts. Because there has always been people who have been playing for longer, who has better results and are throwing both farther and with more accuracy. So I listen to these people instead. You should too. I've learned a ton since then thanks to all these amazing guys here on the forum.

Keep doing what you do if you want to. We wont stop you. Come back in a years time (if you haven't hurt yourself again) and show us that you can throw 450' as you believe you will. Nobody will have any problem with that.

I miss the pre-rodeo forum. This was a great place for learning new things. Right now all energy is put on arguing with you, and it sucks. You bring a bad energy and you aren't bringing anything positive to this site either. Please understand that.

RoDeO 10-08-2020 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by navel (Post 3641381)
Rodeo, come on now man...
Can you just accept the fact that you are wrong?
Multiple people keep telling you that you have a bad understanding of the throw and the kinetic sequence in whole. It's time that you just accept that you do.
You are delusional, and your self-belief is both scary and embarrassing at this point. People aren't telling you that you are wrong just for the fun of it. You are basically saying that 1+1=3, and your only evidence is that you have written 1+1=3 on your own paper. That's not how it works.

I threw further than you my first week of playing. 300' is not extraordinary by any means. But I had to start from scratch a few months later because my form was all kinds of wrong.
I've always thought that my throw is the right way to throw. Otherwise I wouldn't throw like that. However, I have never preached it to the crowds as facts. Because there has always been people who have been playing for longer, who has better results and are throwing both farther and with more accuracy. So I listen to these people instead. You should too. I've learned a ton since then thanks to all these amazing guys here on the forum.

Keep doing what you do if you want to. We wont stop you. Come back in a years time (if you haven't hurt yourself again) and show us that you can throw 450' as you believe you will. Nobody will have any problem with that.

I miss the pre-rodeo forum. This was a great place for learning new things. Right now all energy is put on arguing with you, and it sucks. You bring a bad energy and you aren't bringing anything positive to this site either. Please understand that.

I'm not wrong though. The only reason I bring up the topic is to help people out. If people are getting bad advice and it's hurting their ability then wouldn't it be wise to help them out?

Kudos to you throwing 300 feet your first week. Some people throw wrong first starting out and some don't. I started playing right handed. It was wrong. I did things different left handed and the results so far have far surpassed my goals.

You don't have to like me or my advice but there are others who will understand where I'm coming from and it will change their game.

navel 10-08-2020 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by RoDeO (Post 3641447)
I'm not wrong though. The only reason I bring up the topic is to help people out. If people are getting bad advice and it's hurting their ability then wouldn't it be wise to help them out?

Kudos to you throwing 300 feet your first week. Some people throw wrong first starting out and some don't. I started playing right handed. It was wrong. I did things different left handed and the results so far have far surpassed my goals.

You don't have to like me or my advice but there are others who will understand where I'm coming from and it will change their game.

You are helping no one. You are just feeding your own narcissism. The bad advices are coming from you, don't you see? If anything your advice will change their game for the worse and they might even hurt themselves trying your teachings. I feel bad knowing that some beginners might stumble upon a comment from you and try to whip their hip around forcefully and break their lower back or pull a muscle.

Also, I'm not trying to brag about throwing 300 feet when I first started. I'm saying that it proves nothing at all. With that form I maxed out sub 400 feet. There will be a plateau with every kind of form, and with a bad one you will reach it earlier. You will also put a lot more stress one your body and most certainly will miss the intended throwing line a lot. I promise you that.

RowingBoats 10-08-2020 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by RoDeO (Post 3641447)
I'm not wrong though. The only reason I bring up the topic is to help people out. If people are getting bad advice and it's hurting their ability then wouldn't it be wise to help them out?

Kudos to you throwing 300 feet your first week. Some people throw wrong first starting out and some don't. I started playing right handed. It was wrong. I did things different left handed and the results so far have far surpassed my goals.

You don't have to like me or my advice but there are others who will understand where I'm coming from and it will change their game.

This is just so absurd. You can literally read years-long threads and watch Sidewinder's advice manifest itself into better mechanics for that person. If you do so and begin implementing the lateral shift concept correctly, you will feel where the well of additional momentum can be found.

You aren't going to help anyone with your idea, by your own admission. You, yourself, admit that your progress will now come from 'twitching faster and stronger'. I guess it is time to ascend these threads and make yourself known in the Form Advice board. Lets see you develop some rookies with this advice.

RoDeO 10-08-2020 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by navel (Post 3641471)
You are helping no one. You are just feeding your own narcissism. The bad advices are coming from you, don't you see? If anything your advice will change their game for the worse and they might even hurt themselves trying your teachings. I feel bad knowing that some beginners might stumble upon a comment from you and try to whip their hip around forcefully and break their lower back or pull a muscle.

Also, I'm not trying to brag about throwing 300 feet when I first started. I'm saying that it proves nothing at all. With that form I maxed out sub 400 feet. There will be a plateau with every kind of form, and with a bad one you will reach it earlier. You will also put a lot more stress one your body and most certainly will miss the intended throwing line a lot. I promise you that.

I am simply advocating what Paul and Nate were teaching in the video I posted. GG is an advocate for increasing hip rotation speed. He has a video on distance tips and his #1 tip is to work on faster hip rotation.

The importance of rotating powerfully is key to distance. Knowing how and when that rotation begins is also key. Knowing the difference between strongarming and whipping the arm by the body is also key.

You cannot rotate the hips and use the body if you have the wrong mindset. The belief that rotation begins at brace is wrong. The belief that sole lateral shift creates rotation is also wrong. The danger or problem with teaching these philosophies is that it doesnt promote proper hip and core rotation. Im advocating for the mindset of the hips already starting to rotate coming into brace. At that moment you should thus feel like the core is wound up a bit at which time it can unwind or rotate powerfully. If you are at brace moment (complete weight shift) and feel no wound up energy from the twisting of the hips against the torso you are doing it wrong and will not be able to properly whip the disc through.


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