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tdschrock1 09-07-2018 12:18 PM

Lloyd Weema article in Ultiworld Disc Golf
 
735 rated player compting in Pro Worlds at Smugglers Notch.
https://discgolf.ultiworld.com/2018/...es-pro-worlds/

Moose33 09-07-2018 05:13 PM

Wow, that guy is a trip. I’m sort of surprised they let a guy who would get his butt handed to him in Intermediate play, but whatever floats your boat.

frasnow 09-07-2018 06:00 PM

My post from the World's thread probably belongs here.
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Originally Posted by frasnow (Post 3349971)
Once I saw his face, I knew I had seen him somewhere. It was my YouTube recommended videos.



TAFL 09-09-2018 09:44 PM

I reckon he's a 735 rated speaker, too.

Moose33 09-18-2018 06:37 AM

S was this guys dead last or what?

markmcc 09-18-2018 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Moose33 (Post 3354369)
S was this guys dead last or what?

He finished +153 for the tournament, which was 72 worse than the next (mens) player. I can't imagine being on a card at that big a tournament with someone who was out there only for "the experience".

Moose33 09-18-2018 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by markmcc (Post 3354387)
He finished +153 for the tournament, which was 72 worse than the next (mens) player. I can't imagine being on a card at that big a tournament with someone who was out there only for "the experience".

I couldnít even find him on the Udisc scoring.

Glad I wasnít on that card, probably would have said regrettable things.

Shamis 09-18-2018 12:05 PM

He has the world record for the most burpees in 72 hours though. And the fastest time to do 3 burpees while on fire...lololol

Moose33 09-18-2018 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Shamis (Post 3354526)
He has the world record for the most burpees in 72 hours though. And the fastest time to do 3 burpees while on fire...lololol

Why are records in arbitrary time periods and conditions kept?

The IT manager I used to work with had the fastest 100m while jump roping and it was not even impressive.

dreadlock86 09-18-2018 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by TAFL (Post 3350846)
I reckon he's a 735 rated speaker, too.

he's not that bad at all. he doesn't say "like" or "um" all the time and he communicates pretty clearly. there are some strange pauses but the slight awkward and unsure vibe seems more of his personality than his speech.

lyleoross 09-18-2018 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moose33 (Post 3354534)
Why are records in arbitrary time periods and conditions kept?

The IT manager I used to work with had the fastest 100m while jump roping and it was not even impressive.

I don't know, I'm impressed with someone who has the fortitude to do burpees while on fire. I can't even pee when I'm burning.

Three Putt 09-18-2018 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moose33 (Post 3354393)
I couldnít even find him on the Udisc scoring.

Glad I wasnít on that card, probably would have said regrettable things.

This isn't a shot at Moose, I've been listening this happen for 20+ years. Disc golf has a weird thing where a club/serious player sees somebody playing and they start in on the "you should come to the club flight/join the club/sign up for our C-tier" spiel. So they person gets there, and then the people who play rounds with them grumble that they were thrown off their game because they had to play with someone that was that bad.

St. Louis had this thing in the 90's where they mixed divisions first round, basically saying that people like me that stink would be better for the "experience" of playing with the better players. So I'd play a round with and Open and Advanced guy, then walk up to the scoring table and listen to them bad-mouth me and blame their poor play on them being forced to watch me miss putts. Great. Like I asked to be on a card with them. BUT if I didn't want to deal with it and skipped the flights, somebody would be all over me on league night about why I wasn't showing up at the flights. It's a no win.

They let the dude sign up. They knew what his rating was. The other people on the bottom card were on the bottom card; it wasn't going to matter what happened there. If somebody was going to say regrettable things because this guy was playing, I'd hope they would be said to the TD that let him enter. Dude just showed up to frolf. Which is what we tell people to do all the time.

puck'n'disc5 09-18-2018 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by dreadlock86 (Post 3354612)
he's not that bad at all. he doesn't say "like" or "um" all the time and he communicates pretty clearly. there are some strange pauses but the slight awkward and unsure vibe seems more of his personality than his speech.

He does say 'uh' a bunch. Practically before every sentence.

Moose33 09-18-2018 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Three Putt (Post 3354629)
This isn't a shot at Moose, I've been listening this happen for 20+ years. Disc golf has a weird thing where a club/serious player sees somebody playing and they start in on the "you should come to the club flight/join the club/sign up for our C-tier" spiel. So they person gets there, and then the people who play rounds with them grumble that they were thrown off their game because they had to play with someone that was that bad.

St. Louis had this thing in the 90's where they mixed divisions first round, basically saying that people like me that stink would be better for the "experience" of playing with the better players. So I'd play a round with and Open and Advanced guy, then walk up to the scoring table and listen to them bad-mouth me and blame their poor play on them being forced to watch me miss putts. Great. Like I asked to be on a card with them. BUT if I didn't want to deal with it and skipped the flights, somebody would be all over me on league night about why I wasn't showing up at the flights. It's a no win.

They let the dude sign up. They knew what his rating was. The other people on the bottom card were on the bottom card; it wasn't going to matter what happened there. If somebody was going to say regrettable things because this guy was playing, I'd hope they would be said to the TD that let him enter. Dude just showed up to frolf. Which is what we tell people to do all the time.

I get this, I really do. And the guys will never get any better if they donít play. Iíve been saddled with noobs against teams of open players in draw doubles, and Iím fine with it. But... at Pro Worlds? My kid neighbor is an avid tennis player, and heís pretty good, but they donít let him sign up for the US Open.

Iím with you, at 90% of events people just need to shut up and play no matter who is on the card, but at the biggest events there has to be some cutoff.

This guy is a tourist. He floats into these hobbies, gets enough out of it for a cool story and moves on.

Three Putt 09-18-2018 05:25 PM

That's on the TD and the PDGA, though. They could see his rating. Two minutes and Google would tell you who the guy is. They obviously decided to let him play, or decided that they had no recourse to not let him play. So he played.

Jah Plastifari 09-18-2018 05:35 PM

In the same vein as Lloyd at Worlds, does anyone know how an 805 rated player got into the USDGC? Some kind of raffle?

Three Putt 09-18-2018 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Jah Plastifari (Post 3354708)
In the same vein as Lloyd at Worlds, does anyone know how an 805 rated player got into the USDGC? Some kind of raffle?

I don't know specifically, but generally USDGC spots were given to people who did a lot for the sport. They have some courtesy spots for people like that, so that's what I'd assume is going on there.

Dcinmd 09-18-2018 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Three Putt (Post 3354629)
St. Louis had this thing in the 90's where they mixed divisions first round, basically saying that people like me that stink would be better for the "experience" of playing with the better players. So I'd play a round with and Open and Advanced guy, then walk up to the scoring table and listen to them bad-mouth me and blame their poor play on them being forced to watch me miss putts. Great. Like I asked to be on a card with them. BUT if I didn't want to deal with it and skipped the flights, somebody would be all over me on league night about why I wasn't showing up at the flights. It's a no win.

I will say one of my best PDGA tournament experiences was playing a mixed 1st round card with a open player and MA1. I was struggling on the front 9, something like +6, and the open player just calmly stated, relax, take your time and enjoy yourself. Something very simple yet easy. I shot the hot scored for the card on the back nine at even. Something I will never forget, thanks KP.

I understand why Open players don't like it, but at a C-tier its not a big deal. Worlds nah that should have a cut off. But it looks like breaking out the older players has open up a number of spots that need to be filled.

Three Putt 09-18-2018 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dcinmd (Post 3354730)
I will say one of my best PDGA tournament experiences was playing a mixed 1st round card with a open player and MA1. I was struggling on the front 9, something like +6, and the open player just calmly stated, relax, take your time and enjoy yourself. Something very simple yet easy. I shot the hot scored for the card on the back nine at even. Something I will never forget, thanks KP.

Drift answer: Where it is done well, it's a good idea. Huntsville is a place where they seemed to get it, when I was there it was considered by the Open guys there as their chance to help the next wave of Open players get better and move up. There was no complaining about the n00bs or blaming them for someone's poor play. There are places that get it, and in those places it a cool thing.

St. Louis didn't get it. The best player in town didn't like it and whined about paying money to give up his first round teaching newbies to throw. He set the tone, and a lot of other players followed it. Some guys got it and were cool about it, but it was hit or miss. In that kind of environment, it just doesn't work.

BUT...(back to the thread) after round one Lloyd Weema was throwing with guys that were rated 833, 883, 900, 916...Lets face it, those guys were there for the experience as well. The fact that they were beating the pants off some dude on their card really shouldn't have ruined that. Unless he was a douchebag or something, but no one is saying that, They are just saying he was no good and shouldn't have been in Worlds. By that measure, neither should the 833 rated dude. Or the 883 rated dude. Or the 900 rated dude. There was about 29 players there were rated under 950, none of them finished in the top 150. Depending on where you draw the "should have been there" line, most or all of them were just there for the experience of playing World's. Just like Lloyd Weema.

dreadlock86 09-19-2018 01:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by puck'n'disc5 (Post 3354657)
He does say 'uh' a bunch. Practically before every sentence.

i had to listen again to see if i was crazy. the beginning is painful but he gets a lot better once he gets going. but he does say it enough for me to partially retract my previous statement.

but still not that bad

DavidSauls 09-19-2018 07:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Three Putt (Post 3354764)
BUT...(back to the thread) after round one Lloyd Weema was throwing with guys that were rated 833, 883, 900, 916...Lets face it, those guys were there for the experience as well. The fact that they were beating the pants off some dude on their card really shouldn't have ruined that. Unless he was a douchebag or something, but no one is saying that, They are just saying he was no good and shouldn't have been in Worlds. By that measure, neither should the 833 rated dude. Or the 883 rated dude. Or the 900 rated dude. There was about 29 players there were rated under 950, none of them finished in the top 150. Depending on where you draw the "should have been there" line, most or all of them were just there for the experience of playing World's. Just like Lloyd Weema.

This. Worlds has always been part championship, part convention. It's tightened up in the past few years, but still populated by people with no chance of winning.

I'm a little curious how he got in---did invitees not take all the spots, leaving it open to everyone? Seems hard to play 735 golf and earn enough points to get invited.

That said, it can still be a bit annoying to play with someone so far down the skill scale. I get a chance to play both roles from time to time, in casual play---play with people far worse, and far better---and it can be a test of patience. Of course, the right thing to do is put on a smile, suck it up and be patient.

My first worlds was 2001 AmWorlds, when I didn't have the points to get an invitation but that was just a formality. I was a bit surprised to find out they'd let me in; and a bit abashed to tell people I was going to play in the World Championships, when in reality I wasn't competing for the title. But I'm not sure the PDGA needs to set a minimum standard, either; there would be considerable debate over what it should be, and less-than-full Worlds (with less financial resources from all those entries).

Tripper 09-19-2018 08:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lyleoross (Post 3354624)
I don't know, I'm impressed with someone who has the fortitude to do burpees while on fire. I can't even pee when I'm burning.

If you get kidney stones, you will pee while burning until they pass without a choice in the matter.

Tripper 09-19-2018 08:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DavidSauls (Post 3354901)

That said, it can still be a bit annoying to play with someone so far down the skill scale. I get a chance to play both roles from time to time, in casual play---play with people far worse, and far better---and it can be a test of patience. Of course, the right thing to do is put on a smile, suck it up and be patient.

And I am forever grateful that your smile and patients lasted the whole round I played at Stoney Hill.

davetherocketguy 09-19-2018 08:42 AM

If you're missing putts because of someone else's play on your card then that's on you...not the other player. OTOH a cut off rating for an event like worlds would be completely appropriate.

I play with noobs all the time and don't let it affect my game. If some POS Am like myself can overcome that mental hurdle then so can the "pros" so that aspect should not be an issue.

-Dave

Jay Dub 09-19-2018 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Three Putt (Post 3354764)
Drift answer: Where it is done well, it's a good idea. Huntsville is a place where they seemed to get it, when I was there it was considered by the Open guys there as their chance to help the next wave of Open players get better and move up. There was no complaining about the n00bs or blaming them for someone's poor play. There are places that get it, and in those places it a cool thing.

St. Louis didn't get it. The best player in town didn't like it and whined about paying money to give up his first round teaching newbies to throw. He set the tone, and a lot of other players followed it. Some guys got it and were cool about it, but it was hit or miss. In that kind of environment, it just doesn't work.

BUT...(back to the thread) after round one Lloyd Weema was throwing with guys that were rated 833, 883, 900, 916...Lets face it, those guys were there for the experience as well. The fact that they were beating the pants off some dude on their card really shouldn't have ruined that. Unless he was a douchebag or something, but no one is saying that, They are just saying he was no good and shouldn't have been in Worlds. By that measure, neither should the 833 rated dude. Or the 883 rated dude. Or the 900 rated dude. There was about 29 players there were rated under 950, none of them finished in the top 150. Depending on where you draw the "should have been there" line, most or all of them were just there for the experience of playing World's. Just like Lloyd Weema.

Another point about these players. They all added prize money to the purse. I don't know what the fee was to play the Worlds (maybe $200 per player?) but whatever it was multiply that by 5 because of these low rated players and that's something the top players and the TD don't mind having.

DavidSauls 09-19-2018 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Tripper (Post 3354915)
And I am forever grateful that your smile and patients lasted the whole round I played at Stoney Hill.

Ha. You'd have to be a whole lot worse to try my patience.

I've had people come out who've only played disc golf once or twice. People who can hardly throw 150', and can't control that, so are in pretty thick rough a lot. A guy brought his 8-year-old daughter who loves disc golf, and insisted on throwing every single hole until her Dad stopped her at the pond (a lot of 14s). A group brings out a buddy who has never ever played, somehow thinking this would be a good place to start. Sigh.

All of which is about the same gap between me and 1000-rated players, who tolerate my 240' drives and four-putts.


Or if I went to Pro Worlds.

BuiltTooLong 10-15-2019 01:40 PM

New rule for DGPT, NTS, and Worlds:

In 2020, you must be rated 900 or higher to play MPO. DGCR jerk, Robert Leonard, AKA MTL, has coined it the "Lloyd Weema" rule.

biscoe 10-15-2019 01:47 PM

What a joke. One level of completely non-competitive player is more acceptable than another?

...and is the PDGA now differentiating DGPT events from other A-tiers? If so that too is a joke.

JC17393 10-15-2019 01:53 PM

Citation please. Without a link to something, I'm assuming this is just a joke.

bwgort 10-15-2019 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by biscoe (Post 3507919)
What a joke. One level of completely non-competitive player is more acceptable than another?

...and is the PDGA now differentiating DGPT events from other A-tiers? If so that too is a joke.

I wonder if MTL was betting people that this would happen based on insider info as he has done previously on this forum...

JohtoVillage 10-15-2019 02:21 PM

This is legitimate, as I am the one who worked on this proposal through the Majors Committee.

The minimum MPO player rating for PDGA Majors and Elite Series events (NT and DGPT events) will be 900 in 2020. More to come soon.

jvphobic 10-15-2019 02:24 PM

Ultiworld has an article about it I believe, but they may just be sourcing MTL. But, my understanding is that this is true. And I have no problem with it.

Second. Yes the DGPT events are considered "Elite" level, on the same plane as NT events. Although they only have A-tier status for points purposes in the PDGA.

biscoe 10-15-2019 02:24 PM

FREE LLOYD WEEMA!!

Hampstead 10-15-2019 02:25 PM

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/_PhSh7-WknE/maxresdefault.jpg

brutalbrutus 10-15-2019 02:26 PM

What are we going to talk about during Worlds now?...

JC17393 10-15-2019 02:31 PM

Why?

Total cart before the horse move that benefits NO ONE.

Shamis 10-15-2019 02:35 PM

I think it's a good rule change. A 900 rated player can at least get through the round without slowing things down too much. A 750 rated player (which lloyd is) adds a ton of time to the pace of play, which must be really annoying for the other players on the card, who although not top pros, are probably at least upper 900's rated players.

biscoe 10-15-2019 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shamis (Post 3507946)
I think it's a good rule change. A 900 rated player can at least get through the round without slowing things down too much. A 750 rated player (which lloyd is) adds a ton of time to the pace of play, which must be really annoying for the other players on the card, who although not top pros, are probably at least upper 900's rated players.

In my time of running events I have come to realize that taking more shots is not usually what defines a group as slow. I would almost guarantee you that Nikko is slower than Lloyd...

jvphobic 10-15-2019 02:38 PM

It can make us look more professional to put a ratings floor in our top events. It is step 1 to a qualifying system in the far off future. And it can help out pace of play. This way we won't have many complaints about a 1020 rated player shooting 30 strokes better than someone on their card and slowing down the entire group (or event).

Honestly, this affects about 5 people. I don't see an issue with it. The lowest person to cash at an NT last year was 950 or so at Vegas.

biscoe 10-15-2019 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jvphobic (Post 3507949)
It can make us look more professional to put a ratings floor in our top events. It is step 1 to a qualifying system in the far off future. And it can help out pace of play. This way we won't have many complaints about a 1020 rated player shooting 30 strokes better than someone on their card and slowing down the entire group (or event).

Honestly, this affects about 5 people. I don't see an issue with it. The lowest person to cash at an NT last year was 950 or so at Vegas.

why stop at 900 then?

imo everyone playing in the things should have to hold a Tour Card (won't happen- need the added cash) OR all players should be able to compete in what is by name an OPEN division.


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